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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.113939.18692@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:39:39 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan24.131549.1209@Princeton.EDU>
- dem@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Doron Meyer) writes:
-
- >Umm, Jess... I think you're confusing my thread and someone
- >elses.
-
- Yup, right as rain, I had my signals crossed. Oopsie.
-
- >I live in a single, thank god, nice and small and *my*
- >*own*.. Of course, there are a lot of people in my dorm that
- >are homophobic, but there are a lot who aren't. And, except
- >for one friend who I told the other day, no one has the
- >first clue. It went well, despite my bungling. I suppose
- >that's Arne's point.. if it doesn't go well, it's *their*
- >fault and they don't matter anyways.
-
- Yeah, that's what we say to try to comfort people, I think.
- Part of the problem, though, is the inappropriateness of the
- whole idea of blame in this context: "fault" isn't really
- that useful a concept.
-
- >I can agree, but around this time when everything is
- >changing regardless, to lose people who you thought were
- >your friends is devastating.
-
- Here's where the support is really needed. There are things
- in this life that *are* hard to bear, and loss is at the top
- of the list.
-
- Having had reasons to think about this quite a bit, I've
- pretty much come down to feeling that the Big Thing
- propelling one out of Youth in Adulthood is the realization
- that loss is inevitable. When we're young, most of us
- growing up fairly well protected from such scary thoughts as
- loss, we can live pretty well under the illusion that all
- will be well.
-
- Somewhere along the line we see that certain things about
- the universe are really quite indifferent to us and our
- concerns. In our culture, losses of love and of life are the
- biggies. The answer to the devastation is of course
- acceptance, but there's the paradox of not being able to see
- that until we've already accepted inevitability.
-
- Rather a mess, isn't it?
-
- >The other thread, about the guy with two homophobic
- >roomates, is very scary. I thank my lucky stars I'm not in
- >his shoes. I'm still in the closet, and will be for at
- >least until college. Whatever problems I have for now are
- >with myself, not anyone else.
-
- Count your lucky stars, my young friend (I'm sure you do).
- One's own problems can be quite a handful, as I recall.
-
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