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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
- Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:02:03 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <1jrdj1INNe5a@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan24.065752.2143@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan24.131549.1209@Princeton.EDU>
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- In article <1993Jan24.131549.1209@Princeton.EDU>
- dem@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Doron Meyer) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan24.065752.2143@macc.wisc.edu>
- > anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- > >In article <1jrdj1INNe5a@mizar.usc.edu>
- > >adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:
- > >>I read these things and I wonder if I grew up on Mars. Is
- > >>being gay *such* a big deal? I just can't believe it is.
- > >
- > >I read these things and conclude you *did* grow up on Mars,
- > >hon.
-
- That must explain my antennae and greenish complexion.
-
- > >Ava rara that you are, it seems not to have been an
- > >especially big deal for you.
-
- No, it really wasn't.
-
- > >But it is for most people.
-
- So I gather.
-
- > >Most people are miles from anyone or anything, both
- > >literally and figuratively.
-
- I suppose I really *was* lucky to have grown up in a middle
- to upper-middle class, leftist, Jewish neighborhood during
- the '60s and '70s.
-
- > When I first read Arne's response, I was first upset at what
- > I considered its insensitivity.
-
- Crude, maybe, but I'm never *insensitive*.
-
- > But the more I thought about it,
- > the more I realized how right Arne is. It *isn't* a big deal.
- > But it certainly seems like it, and to a lot of other people,
- > it *is* a big deal. Just ask CFV why they're going to all this trouble.
-
- But that's other people. That I'm gay is probably the single
- most important fact about me. But it *means* nothing. I don't
- think it's a big deal, and I never have made a big deal of it.
- I've always (and by always I mean from about the time I was 15
- or 16) just assumed that people realize I'm gay. *Other* people
- have made a big deal of it, but I haven't. Ever. I came out
- in 10th grade and never -- and I mean *never* -- gave anyone
- who thought to make fun of me for it any satisfaction for his/
- her pains. I don't think I'm so unusual in this regard. I mean,
- I knew I was gay, and that was that. If other people -- friends,
- acquaintances, family, classmates -- couldn't handle it, it wasn't
- *my* problem. And of course I was hassled, and of course I was
- taunted. But I didn't really care. I still am subject to
- public taunting at least once a week, but it doesn't really
- affect me. (Not true: it *infuriates* me and if I had an Uzi
- I'm sure I'd machine-gun dozens of people a week.) I don't
- have nerves of steel. I just know what I'm about, and I think
- that moronic assholes are moronic assholes. Who the fuck cares
- what a moronic asshole might have to say? Just ignore it. *Know*
- what you're about. *Know* what you're worth. And just ignore the
- shit that gets thrown your way.
-
- > This doesn't mean everything is peachy keen. It's not. But, like
- > a lot of changes for teenagers, it can seem like the whole world
- > has flipped on its ear. Not everyone has known or let themselves
- > know since an early age.
-
- This is probably my biggest failing. I've known I was gay
- forever. I've never felt like a freak, or had a problem
- admitting it to myself, or any of the other problems that
- many people seem to have. I don't understand what the big
- deal is, since I don't think that being gay *is* a big deal.
-
- > I suppose that's Arne's point.. if it doesn't go well, it's *their* fault
- > and they don't matter anyways. I can agree, but around this time
- > when everything is changing regardless, to lose people who you
- > thought were your friends is devastating.
-
- Yes, that is my point. It's better that these people get
- lost now than that they hang around and pull you down to
- their level.
-
- > I'm still
- > in the closet, and will be for at least until college. Whatever
- > problems I have for now are with myself, not anyone else.
-
- I'm sorry if it seemed like I was coming down hard on you.
- But I do think there's very little sense (in most cases) of
- dancing around the subject. If you're gay, you're gay.
- Some people will accept it, others can be educated, and then
- there are the dregs who won't accept it no matter what. And I
- don't care what else the dregs might have going for them,
- but if they can't accept the fact that you're gay, then there's
- not much there worth exploring.
-
- Arne
-