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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Advice needed-Bad comming out experience
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.134046.3724@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <1993Jan22.192938.27090@cs.ucla.edu>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 13:40:46 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.192938.27090@cs.ucla.edu>
- mchan@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Ming-Hing Chan) writes:
-
- >I have a jewish friend (almost 18) who just came out to his
- >parents. Their parents are taking it very hard, especially
- >his mother. [...]
-
- It tears my heart out, hearing stories like this. Right
- away I think of people I know (some right here) who are
- parents of teenage gay sons, and whose reaction is more
- or less the diametric opposite of this guy's parents.
-
- Based on what you've said, the parents are deeply entrenched
- in homophobic bigotry. The closest I can get to an
- alternative view of them is that the idea of *their own son*
- being gay is so overwhelmingly threatening to their view of
- *themselves* that they've willy-nilly walled out any vestige
- of truth in the matter, right along with concern for their
- child's welfare.
-
- >She placed this guilt trip on him: "I have done so much for
- >you in my life, why can't you just give me 2 yrs. Just try
- >dating for 2 yrs. That's all I ask" -- his mom.
-
- >The worst thing is that his mom is really suicidal. She
- >cries almost every time he sees her. His father said to
- >him, "see what you've done to your mom, you little monster."
- >His father said that he had never seen her this way. My
- >friend is also very depressed too.
-
- Just superficially, the mother seems to be an artist of
- emotional blackmail. One can be sympathetic (I've been
- suicidal too, it's certainly a bad place to be in your
- head), but I can think of no alternative to vigorously
- refusing to be a party to that blackmail, come what may.
-
- >What should he do? He doesn't have many friends and he
- >doesn't have any one close to talk to either because him
- >parents made him promised not to tell anybody related or
- >anyone who knows the family. He is in a very bad situation
- >with no one to turn to. I'm just a casual acquaintance.
-
- Sounds to me like you're maybe the kind of friend he needs.
- Above all, he needs support, people he can learn to trust
- who will not blackmail him, people who will recognize that
- they do not own him (one of the parents' bigger mistakes),
- people who will help him find his own way, even if it means
- allowing him to make mistakes, people who will become
- parties to his processes of discovering self-worth and
- overcoming his fears, and so on.
-
- Ultimately, he needs to declare independence, perhaps
- in a manner resembling the letter Bil Snodgrass has
- just shared with us. But a key difference there is
- that Bil *has* the support network in place, as your
- friend doesn't.
-
- >On top of that, he has 2 homophobic roommates who suspect
- >him to be gay and constantly harass him. He had to go home
- >every weekend (I think his parents are monitoring him).
-
- He's in a horrible situation, I think. I wish to god there
- were automatically support entities in place for people in
- his kinds of binds. He should change roommates, dorms,
- whatever it is. He should (but how?) escape from the
- vise-grip of his tyrannical parents. But it's too much to
- ask him to do it all on his own, under the given conditions.
-
- >Any advice to deal with this will be welcomed and forwarded
- >to him. Email is preferred.
-
- I hope someone in the LA area can seek him out and try to
- provide the support he seems to need so badly. Does *he*
- have an email account? If you can't find anyone closer who
- can meet with him face to face, I'm willing to give him a
- call (the roommates could be a problem in that plan) and
- hear him out. Maybe you can find out if he'd be interested
- in that and if so send me his phone number.
-
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