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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Label Not the Issues
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.084737.1270@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <18420@autodesk.COM> <1993Jan20.074855.19431@macc.wisc.edu> <18436@autodesk.COM>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:47:37 GMT
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- In article <18436@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
- Rowley) writes:
-
- Owen:
-
- ]>>I happen to believe that the politics of the left has used
- ]>>us the way the bigots use us. the left does not respect us,
- ]>>we are a commodity group which they can count on for votes
- ]>>and figure they never have to deliver the goods to, because
- ]>>of who we are.
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- Me:
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- ]>I'd be wary of making too broad a generalization there. To
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- ]I know you would, because you still maintain faith and hope
- ]in leftist ideals. I make the statements I do, because I
- ]have abandoned any hope or faith I once had in those
- ]paradigms.
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- ]>be sure, some parts of the traditional left are densely
- ]>populated with fascists in liberal clothing, but blanket
- ]>rejection of everything we might call left is not what I
- ]>think we need to do. Rather, we need to work out a solid
- ]>foundation of ethical social and political principles by
- ]>which both we and the majority society can live together
- ]>harmoniously. To a great degree, I think, this will mean
- ]>discarding the traditional labels like left/right,
- ]>liberal/conservative, and so forth.
-
- ]Pardon me Jess, but as a Libertarian who has taken much
- ]abuse from you and others here, this statement has a funny
- ]ring to it.
-
- You're forgiven, but let's stick to the point and dispense
- with your accusations and feigned surprise. You may count
- on my continued challenges to your libertarian cant, but
- let's try to keep the dialog in terms of issues,
- specifically the ones I raised here, the inadequacy of
- doctinaire approaches to social and political ethics.
-
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