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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: No Liberty Without Ethics
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.075753.29278@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <18420@autodesk.COM> <1993Jan20.074855.19431@macc.wisc.edu> <18436@autodesk.COM>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:57:53 GMT
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- In article <18436@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
- Rowley) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan20.074855.19431@macc.wisc.edu>,
- >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
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- >>In article <18420@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
- >>Rowley) writes:
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- >>>We are not perverts, we are a natural part of the natural
- >>>cycle of things. We have been at the forfront of the parts
- >>>of our society that make it beutifull and entertaining for a
- >>>long time and its time for society to stop treating us like
- >>>second class citizens. The way to do that is by acting like
- >>>the first class valuable asset to society that we are.
-
- >>We will have many arguments within the cohort as we try to
- >>work out what "good citizen" means in our own terms.
-
- >*Good Citizen* is your term, I used *first class valuable
- >asset* in order to bypass the relative value judgements of
- >*bad and good*.
-
- That's sophistry in its simplest form. The value judgments
- cannot be bypassed.
-
- The argument by example -- some LGB people have done some
- very good things -- is not adequate to secure liberty and
- equality for us all. The society as a collective enterprise
- -- taking nothing away from its diversities during or after
- the debate -- will have to undertake the enormously
- difficult, fractious activity of *not* bypassing the
- formation of ethical values. You have several times
- mentioned taking principled positions; *this* principle
- underlies all others in our domain of discourse.
-
- --
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