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- From: pi101@cus.cam.ac.uk (P.M. Inman)
- Subject: Re: bodily autonomy
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:55:41 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.003555.2314@rotag.mi.org>,
- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-
- |> In article <1jl12jINNl7o@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- |> >karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- |> >
- |> >>let's take this "bodily autonomy" thing for a minute, and see where it leads
- |> >>us....
- |> >
- |> >>Would you agree that one's mind, and its output, is under a person's control
- |> >>as bodily autonomy? That is, that the output of a mind is something which a
- |> >>person has absolute control over?
- |> >
- |> >>Would you agree that the output of one's muscles and other body processes is
- |> >>also under a person's control as bodily autonomy. That is, the physical
- |> >>exertion (excretion, etc) of a person is something which a person should
- |> >>have absolute control over?
- |> >
- |> >The mind itself, yes. The body itself, yes. The output, no.
- |> >This runs into issues of property rights, with which I am largely unfamiliar.
- |>
- |> Is it a _general_ tendency of yours to trample all over things which you don't
- |> understand?
- |>
- |> Learn what an "arbitrary deprivation of property" is, Michal, or an "excessive
- |> fine", and how those things violate our Constitution...
- |>
- |> - Kevin
-
- I'm not sure who started this thread, but surely "bodily autonomy", i.e. "I
- own my body", is about the only "right" to which an individual can lay claim.
- That entails the right to use one's body for thought, survival and
- recreation, but only on one's own property, or with the consent of the owner
- of someone else's. Presumably one has to be out of sight, ear- and nose-shot
- too. All other rights (human, women's, men's, parents', foetuses',
- children's, nations') all require the consent of someone else. That may even
- deny them the status of rights. They become claims and obligations.
-
- I daresay someone could construct a whole philosophical system from the right
- to bodily autonomy alone. Would "leave me alone" be a legitimate assertion
- of that right? What about "don't do that in my sight"?
-
- The trouble is, such an experiment would never get started, since the
- assertion of one's right to bodily autonomy seems to cause enormous offence
- in other people.
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