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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
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- Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
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- Date: 24 Jan 93 15:29:56 GMT
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- peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- >>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>x73rl@ll.mit.edu ( Rick LaFave) writes:
- >>>
- >>>>I've said in the past that there is an inconsistancy between saying that he
- >>>>has no rights as far as the z/e/f is concerned and demanding he support the
- >>>>resulting child. If support is demanded, then he must have some rights
- >>>>associated with the z/e/f, if he has no such rights, then support should
- >>>>not be mandated.
- >>>
- >>>I agree that the situation is not a good one. However I find the
- >>>alternatives worse. Either (1) men get control over prengnacy and abortion,
- >>>thereby women lose bodily autonomy. Or (2) children go unsupported by
- >>>one or more of their parents, thereby either living in poverty or becoming
- >>>a burden on society at large (or both).
- >
- >>does "free choice" really mean "choice without cost," to you?
- >
- >No. Woman are liable for 1/2 the cost and 1/2 the effort of parenting.
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- No. Women are liable for the cost but none of the effort.
-
- Do *you* propose that women *should* be liable for exactly 1/2 the cost
- and 1/2 the effort of parenting? Does that imply that men are liable
- for exactly 1/2 the cost and 1/2 the effort? Does a father who is willing
- and qualified to provide 1/2 or more of the effort have to pay MORE than
- 1/2 the cost?
-
-
- Why do you have no response to my statement?
-
- >>A woman who has free choice should not be able to commit a man's life
- >>to her decision. If a fetus is not a person, and a fetus can be legally
- >>aborted, then the woman has the *responsibility* -- balanced by her
- >>*unilateral right* -- to weigh the potential child's future interests
- >>in her decision whether to continue the pregnancy.
- >>
- >>Or does "free choice" really mean "choice without cost," to you?
-
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- Don
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