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- From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.004736.4145@cs.ucla.edu>
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- Organization: in your face!
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:47:36 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.222612.6430@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
- >1) If you're a self-centered jerk, you'll get plenty of dates but no
- > relationships.
-
- I know self-centered jerks (of both sexes). Some of them get plenty
- of dates *and* relationships, but either they do not last as long as
- they would like, or the quality of the relationships is generally not
- what they want (although some claim otherwise). So, they are unhappy
- from the standpoint of not having what they want, but satisfied (if
- not happy) from the standpoint of having someone, while others (nice
- guys) complain about not having anyone. In my experience, nice guys
- (of both sexes) have less (sometimes much less) dates and
- relationships, and are generally unhappy from the standpoint about not
- having anybody (although not necessarily unhappy about life in
- general). When they do find someone they're generally happier (about
- their relationships) than the self-centered jerks.
-
- >2) If you're an honest, caring person (oops, I changed the wording!), you
- > will most likely find a life-long companion if you turn your attention
- > away from the low-self-esteem women who are still looking toward the
- > self-centered jerks. Thanks to the women's movement 8-> more women
- > care about their own happiness and quality of life and do not resign
- > themselves to the hanging-onto-the-first-jerk-they-find-because-they-are
- > afraid-they'd-never-find-anyone-else-and-they-are-nothing-without-a-man
- > syndrome.
-
- In my experience, if you're an honest, caring person, you will be more
- likely to attract (in the sense of making acquaintances) like people.
- Some of these may turn out to be friends, some good friends, some SOs,
- and some people you'll never see again. Turning your attention away
- from the low-self esteem jerks will give you some peace of mind (at
- least from the standpoint of not having to deal with jerks any more),
- but in and of itself may not enable you to pair up with a compatible
- companion.
-
- > In the meantime, get a life, get involved, build friendships -
- > women can be more than just dates, they can be friends.
-
- Right. However, I think the media subtly encourages us to find a
- companion even if we might be otherwise happy without one. The "not
- having a companion" can lead to dissatisfaction, especially if most of
- your honest, caring friends have companions. (In other words, "what's
- wrong with me?") I liked the reasons someone gave in a past post for
- why people don't form relationships, but I would add to them having no
- access to or no knowledge of available, compatible, potential partners.
- A good % of people I know would make a good partner for someone, but
- there isn't a compatible someone that they would meet in the general
- course of their everyday life.
-
- --gregbo
-