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Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:01:11 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>                       THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
>
>                Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
>           Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of
>           God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
>
>                But there are some very important related facts that
>           Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of
>           most other world religions.
>
>                First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH-
>           STANDING.  There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living
>           Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL
>           TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both
>           before and after the life of Jesus.

Proof, please.  At the very least, some kind of plausibility argument.
And, who/what determines who these are?

>
>                The followers of some of these Masters founded the
>           world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of
>           their Master in the process.  Christians, for example, added
>           THREATS of "ETERNAL DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the
>           teaching of REincarnation.

Added to what/deleted from what?  Are you implying that some form of
Buhddism(sp?) is the 'real' religion that all others are drived from
or perversions of?

>
>                Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
>           Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is
>           NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively
>           few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically
>           alive.  (That is simply the way God set things up in the
>           Universes.)

And you simply know this....

>                Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and
>           pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from
>           their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed
>           themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly
>           MANUFACTURED by the Romans.

The same Romans who persecuted Christians for 280 years.  That is NOT to
say that many facets of Orthodoxy/Catholicism/Protestantism are not
related to Roman society or culture, but MANUFACTURED is quite a bit of
a stronger term.

>                And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
>           indicator for religious validity.

I guess then YOUR thoughts are wholly based on reason and facts.  If so,
kindly provide them.

>                These things are similarly true for followers of most
>           other major world religions, including Islam.

1.5 billion Christians', 1 billion Muslims' faiths, just wiped away in one
sentence.

>                Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune
>           His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND
>           CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as
>           "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally
>           guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they
>           are still connected to their living physical bodies by a
>           "silver cord".
>
>                True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of
>           REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved
>           only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five
>           levels or universes above the physical universe, and this
>           canNOT be done without the help of a Perfect LIVING Master.

So the Word means nothing without someone's physical presence.

>                One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri
>           Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the
>           "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis,
>           (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427).
>
>                Another perfect living Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh
>           Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
>           "Sant Mat" organization.
>
>                One of the classic books on this subject is "THE PATH OF
>           THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA
>           90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian
>           and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India
>           studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of
>           that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji.
>
>                Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored
>           by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in
>           most public and university libraries and some book stores, or
>           obtained thru inter-library loan.  The book "ECKANKAR--THE
>           KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER
>           classic.
>
>                Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with
>           the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world
>           dictator during the so-called "last days".  But the Masters
>           don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as
>           Jesus was.
>
>                People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or
>           other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will
>           CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the
>           psychic planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they
>           finally WISE UP!
>

So Jesus' command to preach the Word to all humanity was a waste of time--
and He must have know this.

>
>           RE-INCARNATION
>
>                The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
>           describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation
>           as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS* to past
>           lives*, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
>           of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives,
>           homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi-
>           ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
>           ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read-
>           ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS
>           FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the
>           Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How
>           can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
>           BEFORE?!).  [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION".  Later
>           versions are PER-VERSIONS! ]  Strong INTERESTS, innate
>           TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a
>           person's PAST LIVES.  For example, a strong fear of swimming
>           in or traveling over water usually results from having
>           DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE.  And sometimes a
>           person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being
>           met for the first time, because of a bad encounter with him
>           during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION.
>
>           *[a way to obtain EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNTS of historical events!]
>
>                The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF
>           KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.).  People would
>           behave much better toward each other if they knew that their
>           actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the
>           future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION!
>
>
>
>           "2nd COMINGS"
>
>                If a Perfect Living Master physically dies ("trans-
>           lates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when
>           that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master will
>           meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the
>           Soul Plane.  This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a
>           2nd Coming.  It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something
>           that happens for everyone all at once.  People who are still
>           waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN.
>
>
>
>           PLANES OF EXISTENCE
>
>                The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN
>           major levels of existence.  Above the Physical Plane is the
>           Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric
>           Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane),
>           the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes.  The
>           Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
>           the Physical).  The planes between (but NOT including) the
>           Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes.
>
>                It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
>           influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See
>           the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without
>           an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between
>           the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane.
>
>                The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED.  For example, a
>           sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the
>           Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there
>           LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some
>           kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a
>           THREATENING manner.  The Christian "Heaven" is located
>           elsewhere on the Astral Plane.  Good Christians will go there
>           for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth.
>
>
>
>           SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH
>
>                The Christian religion demands of its followers an
>           extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more
>           than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).
>
>                If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND
>           CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"),
>           then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL
>           CONTINUE.
>
>                The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different
>           Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on
>           the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a
>           flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar,
>           Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as
>           a Member.  This and other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL")
>           REPLACE blind faith.
>
>
>
>                UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
>           IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
>
>
>                                            Robert E. McElwaine
>                                            2nd Initiate in Eckankar
>
>
I have no difficulty in your believing what you believe, and I have no
desire to attack your worldview/belief structure.  I do have strong
reservations on how you are going around making strong accusations
of my and others' without any definitive arguments to back the
accusations up.

                -Mike Traynor

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