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- From: goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Will Steeves)
- Subject: Re: Women-Only / Men-Only Groups
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 23:49:41 GMT
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- mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes...
- >I wrote:
- > >MC> Yes. One of the problems involved here is historical. That is,
- > >MC> men-only groups have become suspect because they so frequently
- > >MC> became power bases from which women were excluded. Women-only
- > >MC> groups don't have this kind of history to overcome.
- >goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Will Steeves) writes:
- > >It's interesting that you would say this, Mara.
-
- > >Perhaps this was true of only men's groups in the past, but with the
- > >growing power base in the women's movement, it seems that the same
- > >suspicions can now also be drawn about women-only groups...
-
- >I had in mind institutions like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale.
- >The Century Club. Assorted sports clubs. Business and
- >professional organizations (like Rotary International)
- >that had explicit charters restricting membership to men.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- A very large number of these organisations are now under *very* heavy
- pressure to admit women as well. Soon, they will, I am sure. And I
- *do* consider this a good thing - a very good thing. However, I do
- not as yet see as organised an attempt to pressure women-only
- organisations to also admit men. With the exception of some
- women-only YMCA pools, I have heard of no other attempts to open
- women-only organisations and/or services to men. I therefore foresee
- a time when all men-only groups will have been pressured to accept
- women, while at that time, there will still be a large and possibly
- growing number of women-only groups which, if approached, would say
- "But that's different!".
-
- Needless to say, my opinion is thus - If men-only organisations should
- be required to admit women (and I believe that they should), then
- women-only organisations should also be required to admit men.
-
- >I would be most interested to see a comparable list of powerful
- >institutions on local, regional, national and international levels
- >that forbid access to men.
-
- >Living Well Lady doesn't cut it. At least, there's no evidence yet
- >that it does.
-
- How about EMILY's List? Certainly, I don't recall them having
- supported any male candidates? There are also a large and growing
- number of women- only business and professional associations. Indeed,
- in Ontario, where there is an Association of School Teachers (I don't
- recall the *exact* name), there is also an Association of Women
- Teachers, which recently refused to accept men. This is *quite*
- ironic, because women are the *vast majority* of Ontario school
- teachers. It would be like firefighters starting an Association of
- Men Firefighters!
-
- At any rate, isn't Emily's List *enough*? Indeed, I don't recall any
- groups that went out of their way to support male candidates, *solely*
- because of their gender.
-
- (BTW, what is Living Well Lady?)
-
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