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- From: sharring@cs.tamu.EDU (Steven L Harrington)
- Subject: Re: thinking that numbers are God(tm)
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 21:14:31 GMT
- References: <1jmig5$ep4@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <1jmig5$ep4@agate.berkeley.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
- >
- >While it is true that numbers are valuable tools, this insistence on
- >some men on the net to not belive in ANYTHING unless it can be
- >numerically stated is really stupid. You all remind me of carpenters
- >who have only one hammer and won't acknowledge the existence of
- >anything but nails.
-
- [deletia]
- >
- >Face it, guys. Numbers are hammers. When they don't fit the bill,
- >give `em up and start using your right lobes for a change. If I were
- >to call you all cuntsucking assholes (to use a phrase) would that not
- >matter? Likely it would piss you off like all hell. Well, express
- >your piss-offedness in numbers, please. Kindly explain to me, using
- >the latest numerical technology and statistical analysis, just HOW
- >you are pissed off when I say that. You can't? Oh, well. Guess it
- >doesn't exist, and I can just keep right on calling you all
- >cuntsucking assholes until doomsday since you can't PROVE to me that
- >you are REALLY bothered by it. If you could only CONVINCE me that
- >you are bothered, I'd be happy to stop! But, you can't put it in
- >numbers? Sorry.
-
- I don't necessarily disagree w/ the anti-numbers and anti-science
- crowd completely, but I would just like to suggest that this thinking
- could possibly be counterproductive if too many folks buy into it too
- dogmatically. There are those among the soc.fem crowd who are labeling
- science and math and numbers as "male". If you feel this way, that's
- your own business, but if women are led to believe this on a large
- scale I believe that it will hurt both women and the country/economy.
- The future of business, industry, etc. lies in increasingly more
- technical fields. Thus, we need all the bright minds we can get in
- science, engineering, math, etc. However, if women are convinced that
- this is "male" thinking and is somehow inherently sexist, then they
- will steer away from such fields in droves. This will make them
- (potentially) less employable and will have adverse effects on our
- economy in my opinion.
-
- Further, in defense of science and math, I will ask the somewhat
- rhetorical question: What gave us airplanes, microwave ovens, tv's,
- computers, stereos, telephones, electric lights, heart bypass surgery,
- et. al. ??? Don't waste your breath calling me sexist, because _I_
- don't buy into the arguments that these fields are exclusively
- "male"...
-
- --steve harrington
- --texas a&m university
-
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