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- From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
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- Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 18:35:23 GMT
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- In article <C16EIE.2qs@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
- >Only demand mainland wants from Taiwan is that
- >Taiwan recognize Mainland government as sole government of China, Taiwan is
- >part of China.
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- Many mainlanders think that current mainland government ought to be
- changed. Given that this is the case, I don't think that it is likely
- that you can convince Taiwanese to recognize the current Mainland
- government as having any authority over Taiwan, even if this authority
- is mixed with promises of autonomy.
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- >As to the difference in the political and economical system across the Strait
- >need not to be a obsticle for above purpose, unless people involved want to
- >make it an issue.
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- But it's impossible not to make it an issue. If the People's Republic
- allows a local multi-party democratic government to exist on Taiwan
- (or Hong Kong), the question will arise as to why it will not allow
- such a government to exist in Beijing or Hunan, or why it will not
- allow an all-China government to be founded on those principles.
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- >As to Taiwan's system, you have to filter out the factor that
- >U.S. provided massive aid and more importantly market, to be able to
- >objectively talking about so called "Taiwan experience".
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- The United States has not provided economic aid to Taiwan since the
- 1960's, and as for markets, who is buying a lot of Cantonese products
- now?
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- The basic problem with "one country, two systems" is that Taiwan and
- the Mainland have too many fundamental similiarities for there to be
- any real reason to have two systems, either political or economic.
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- >I agree, but that is only "soft" mechanism. Some kind of agrement may
- >nail it down and make it impossible for TI and can argument more forcefully
- >against any nations attemp to split China.
-
- All the Mainland has to do to kill TI is to recognize the Republic of
- China (perhaps in some confederal Greater Chinese Community). The
- only remaining (and in my opinion incorrect) argument that TI now has
- is that "one China, one Taiwan" is the only way Taiwan can participate
- in international affairs without compromising its security. Once that
- argument goes, there's nothing left, and Taiwanese politics will be
- influenced by other issues (such as the relationship between business
- and government).
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- >China
- >become major target for West to go after, no matter what China does. That is
- >a conclusion I draw from my observation, and from past West history.
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- If the West is foolish enough try and take over China now, it will
- lose. In the nineteenth century, the West had the temporary advantage
- of being industrialized while China was not. Even under those
- circumstances, the West was never able to colonize China in the way
- that Africa and India were colonized.
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- Today, the West still has a technological advantage, but it is not
- decisive enough to allow the West to overwhelm China. Furthermore,
- that techonological advantage is disappearing rapidly, and we are
- rapidly approaching the point in history in which there will be more
- reason for the West to be afraid of China than there will be for China
- to be afraid of the West.
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- >Chinese leadership are more aware what is going on than outsiders
- >think.
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- A leadership that is aware of what is going should have been able to
- figure out a better way to deal with mass demonstration than by
- sending in tanks. There certainly lots of people in the top
- leadership who realize what is going on, but they are keeping their
- mouths shut for now, after what happened to Zhao Ziyang and Hu
- Yaobang.
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- >There was a poll month ago, 60% of Chinese are satisfied economically,
- >50% politically. I do not know how poll was conducted, how the question
- >was phrased. But it did give some hint on Mainlanders's public opinion.
-
- One of the problems with shooting demonstrations in the name of
- restoring order is that afterwards, in becomes very, very difficult
- for the government to figure out what people really think.
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