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- From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
- Subject: Maimonides' "Epistle to Yemen": Racist?!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.205344.14419@cs.brown.edu>
- Sender: news@cs.brown.edu
- Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:53:44 GMT
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- The following was posted on TPM by someone who has been
- trying real hard, for some time now, to prove that racism and
- "biological factors" are a prominent part of Judaism. I bring
- it to the attention of the readers of this newsgroup, as this
- might be a new line of arguments pursued by antisemites. Any
- comments are welcome.
-
- -Danny Keren
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-
- Among the new posts are some extraordinarily well-informed
- analyses of Maimonides. This newsgroup can display some real
- brilliance when some members choose to get beyond the level of
- mutual thrash and slash.
-
- In any case, I will try to read through all the new posts in the
- next few days, and reply to the high points. The personal abuse
- from now on I am just going to ignore as matter of principle and
- practicality. There's no time to mess with it.
-
- In the meantime, will one or two Maimonides experts please focus
- on this single passage (below) from Epistle to Yemen and
- explicate it for me? What I find troublesome is the notion that
- "the issue of Ishmael" will not be favored by God. We also see
- references to "the offspring of Isaac" and "the illustrious
- scions of Isaac." The language and imagery is clearly genetic and
- biological.
-
- Are users here arguing that the language is ONLY symbolic? Please
- try to convince me that this is the case. I have an open mind,
- and will listen carefully. The language sounds both symbolic and
- literal to me. I know for a fact that at least some Israelis take
- this symbology in a quite literal way, and view the Arabs as "the
- issue of Ishmael." As I recall, David Shipler discussed this
- current of Israeli thought in his Pulitzer prize winning book,
- Arab and Jew.
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- Even on a symbolic level, the language is troubling to any
- contemporary humanist who takes the point of view that supreme
- enlightenment, divine wisdom, etc. are pretty much equally
- distributed among the human race, without regard to ancestors,
- peoples, offspring, scions, etc.
-
- Please quote for me the single best brief passage from
- Maimonides' works which would support the idea that he had a
- purely symbolic intention in mind in this passage, with no regard
- to peoples out there in the real world.
-
- And keep in mind that the best way to present Judaism to non-Jews
- is not to get defensive or abusive, but to calm down and try to
- explain the doctrine in a friendly and helpful fashion.
-
- Thanks.
-
- Here's the passage:
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- There is no question that the Divine assurance to Abraham to
- bless his descendants, to reveal the Torah to them, and to
- make them the Chosen People, refers only to the offspring of
- Isaac. For Ishmael is mentioned as an adjunct and appendage
- in the blessing of Isaac, which reads "and also of the son
- of the bond-woman will I make a nation." (Genesis 21:13).
- This verse suggests that Isaac holds a primary position and
- Ishmael a subordinate place. This point is made even more
- explicit in the blessing which ignores Ishmael entirely.
- "For in Isaac shall seed be called in thee." (Genesis
- 21:12). The meaning of God's promise to Abraham is that the
- issue of Ishmael will be vast in numbers but neither
- pre-eminent nor the object of divine favor, nor
- distinguished for the attainment of excellence. Not because
- of them will Abraham be famed or celebrated, but by the
- noted and illustrious scions of Isaac.
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