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- From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
- Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
- Subject: Re: Cities and Suburbs
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- Date: 28 Jan 93 04:21:20 GMT
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- Mike said
-
- Recently reported in the SF Chronicle: about 73% of Japanese live in the
- cities (not defined in the article.) I also remember reading that roughly
- 80% of the Japanese population lives in the strip of land between Tokyo/Chiba
- and ~Hiroshima (this includes Nagoya, Osaka, Kyoto, Kobe, Yokohama, Kawasaki,
- etc). It's difficult to see how Japan could get much more urbanized.
-
- FWIW, when I was working in Tokyo, I met a lot of people from (esp) the
- Sapporo and Fukuoka areas. Most of them expressed keen desires to go back, if
- they could find suitable jobs, even if it meant taking a "demotion". In a
- 5 month period, six of those people found the opportunity to move back.
-
- Mike
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-
- You gotta watch what they mean by living in "cities", whether it includes
- suburbs or the arbitrary distinctions between large towns and small cities.
- I hear that in Nebraska, a town with a population greater than 2,000 is
- deemed a city.
-
- Anyway, that strip of land where 80% of the population resides, refers to
- the Toukaidou, the historical megalopolis on Honshu's East Coast dating
- to the Heian Era (8th century or so); traveling accountsw from the 10th
- century exist, about travelling from Kyoto to then-Kamakura (now-Tokyo).
- Kamakura was the Eastern military frontier up until the Warring States
- period; in fact, shogun has a meaning, "he who fights the barbarians",
- fighting the Ainu or whoever other primitive inhabitants living North of
- Kamakura. Hokkaido was settled by Japanese only beginning in the 19th
- century, so as you go North there is more of a frontier-influence on local
- cultures.
-
- It's true that lots of people go to work in Tokyo, realize that it's not
- all that it's cracked up to be, and head back. In fact, the government for
- the last century has been encouraging people to head back. But Tokyo
- has been like a chain reaction, the more people settle, the more central
- it becomes for gaining elite status. Companies go head-over-heels to have
- an office in the Ginza, so they can impress clients buy taking them out to
- drink after the business deal is over. Back in the bubble days, it was
- said that no matter how much you fold up a 10,000-yen bill, it would still
- cover more area on a piece of land in the Ginza than that speck of land was
- worth.
-
- So there you have a brain drain within a country. These days on the
- West Coast, Kanazawa is booming but all the smaller cities around it have
- deteriorated in exchange. Zero-sum game! Zero-sum game!
-
- It's such a crowded country. Why are people worried about a declining
- population???? Isn't that good?
-