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- Date: 26 Jan 93 00:08:03 CST
- References: <81793@hydra.gatech.EDU>
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- In article <81793@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL)
- writes:
-
- ( I think that it is customary - netiquette to include the header to which the
- person is responding to. Otherwise it becomes confusing for the other reader to
- follow what the other person is saying. It is to be noted that the previous
- post came from Raj Bhatnagar.)
-
- >..... ( deleted )......
- > In a Democracy, sovereignty belongs to the people.
- > In Communism, sovereignty belongs to the State.
- > In a Monarchy, sovereignty belongs to the Monarch.
- > In an Oligarchy, sovereignty belongs to the "ruling class (caste)"
- > In a Theocracy, sovereignty belongs to the Church (priests).
- > In Islam, sovereignty belongs to Allah!
- >
-
- Additionally, in mindlessly violently societies, like Iran and Pakistan - as
- has been described in the Amnesty International 1990 report, repression and
- systematic dehumanization of subjects in the name of Allah/ Vishnu/ God/
- Jeehovah has been mitigated on women and minorities - under the garb of
- Democracy/ Oligarchy/ Theocracy. This systematic proceedure of butchering
- the humans in the name of someone whom an ordinary mortal cannot see, is
- one of the worst crimes that Allah/ Vishnu/ God/ Jeehovah has to bear with.
-
- FKYI, Communist states (police-states) operate in the same mode as do Iran
- Pakistan. There (Communist state) the minorities are those who dare to raise
- a voice against the Authority. Soviet Union and China were such states and
- so is Castro's Cuba - at present ! The systematic annihilation of
- "minorities" like the one in Islamic countries (Iran, Pakistan) has also been
- well documented - needing no further mention. At least to this pragmatic end,
- Communists and Mullahs have acted identically. Oppression on women, and, the
- systematic annihilation of minorities.
-
- > If sovereignty belongs to Allah, then how can a legitimate, secular,
- > Islamic country exist?
-
- What an excellent theocratic slip ! Why does not Allah descend from heavens
- everyday and issue rules on what the humans should do ? Surely, the people
- do not have to use their brains and remain just mute dolls and do what
- the magic of Allah/ Vishnu/ God makes us to do ! What if someone does not
- believe in Allah/ Vishnu/ God ? Is he then free from Allah's rules/ wrath ?
- Why does everybody *have* to believe in God - as you imply to survive in an
- Islamic state ?
- >
- > Besides, the biggest logical flaw in your argument is that you assume
- > that all people of the world have a secular mindset and it is the
- > "non-secularism " of Muslims that is at the root of all problems.
- > What about fanatical Hindus, and fanatical Orthodox Christians? If
- > all the Muslims decieded to be "secular" ( good slaves) then what
- > guarantee is there that these fanatical elements will also become
- > "secular"?
- >
-
- No Raj is right here, and, so was Javed Ahmed Khan. Claiming that Islamic
- country will have all the peace in the world, is a hogwash. For 1400 years
- the History has seen that. Many great historians/ novelists Toynbee, Wells
- (the two whose works I can quote) have commented what charming Islamic
- practices are ! (These authors are the most respected in the world and thus
- cannot be ruled/ de-recognized for their critique.) If I do not believe in
- the Qur'an why should I be ruled by Allah ? Or, don't I have the right to do
- so ? Why should Allah dictate my life, and, political thinking ? Why can't I
- use my own brain to decide what to do ?
-
- To cap it all, Orthodox Christians, Fanatic Hindus have at least one good
- point: both (at least Hindus) separate the temple and the state. Christians
- (if at all they are orthodox) are obliged to so because Christ asks them to
- act in that manner. Only Islamic concepts, complicate matters by the big
- theory that everybody is ideally forced to accept that Mosque and the State
- are the same. This makes today look like yesterday, and, humans have to act
- as robot. I find this quite absurd as far as modern socio-political theories
- go. Why should humans be confined within a set of rules - that cannot be
- *challenged* till the end of the world ?
-
- Why are Ahamadyas non-Muslims ????
-
-
- > In reality, there is no solution for us (Muslims) other than becoming
- > better Muslims and putting our trust in Allah, for there is no better
- > "helper" than Allah. If we do not do so, then we should be prepared for
- > humiliation in this life and punishment in the next one.
- >
- Gimme a break !
-
- >>---raj
- >
- >
- >
- > Raheel Ahmed Khan!
- > --
- > KHAN,RAHEEL
- > Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
- > uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7242a
- > Internet: gt7242a@prism.gatech.edu
-
- - deb chatterjee
- (a good samaritan)
-