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- From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
- Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
- Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.144348.19748@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 19:43:48 GMT
- Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.144348.19748
- References: <1993Jan21.181616.19636@husc3.harvard.edu> <1993Jan22.041919.19278@Princeton.EDU>
- Organization: Harvard University Science Center
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- In article <1993Jan22.041919.19278@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan21.181616.19636@husc3.harvard.edu> abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
- >>Boris Kuschel <kuschel@ecf.toronto.edu> writes:
- >>>Nowhere in 'Mein Kampf' does Hitler say he will kill Jews.
- >
- >>True. I never said that he did. I quoted that part of the previouse discussion
- >>only because Christian Lampl said that almost nobody read 'Mein Kampf' even
- >>AFTER 1933. Hitler didn't say directly that he is going to murder all Jews. I
- >>don't think that in 1924 he already decided to do it. However let me qoute the
- >>last chapter of 'Mein Kampf':
- >>"If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand
- >>of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as
- >>happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field,
- >>the sacrifice of millions at the front would not be in vain."
- >>You wrote me that you read and reread "Mein Kampf" how did you manage to miss a
- >>lot of such violently racist passages?
- >
- > He said nothing of the sort.
- >
- > On the other hand, note that it's a hypothetical, and hypotheticals are
- > easier to ignore. Some of us still converse with Greenstein, even
- > though he said he would have sentenced Lampl's grandfather to death
- > no matter what -- he WOULD HAVE. Not that he will now, not that he'll
- > actually take any action.
- >
- >>I agree it is not Final Solution yet. On
- >>January 30, 1939 Hitler addressed the Reichstag:
- >>"If international finance Jewry whithin Europe and abroad should succeed once
- >>more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then consequence will be ... the
- >>destruction of the Jewish race in Europe."
- >
- > Pretty late in the game, and again, a hypothetical. Also, no direct
- > statement about *how* they will be destroyed.
- >
- >>Was it also Allies propaganda?
- >
- > What is this supposed to mean?
- >
- >>>I bet that not one of you read a book that disputed the Holocaust.
- >
- >>You are right, I didn't. I had not to. Too many of my relatives were murdered.
- >>My parents and my grandparents excaped by a pure luck. So I am not interested
- >>in disputes about Holocaust. However I read a lot of books which described
- >>Holocaust.
- >
- >>>I don't blame you,
- >
- >>>because they are not let in the bookstores. Guess who's responsible for that?
- >
- >>Let me try... "International finance Jewry"? Or if you are more modern
- >>"Zionists"? It is sad that you are wrong: there are such books in the
- >>bookstores.
- >
- > This is beneath you. Christian has not argued anything along this
- > line, and I suggest that you avoid getting in the gutter, especially
- > when he's not eve nthere to join you.
- >
- >>>Some of this "evidence" that you people spew out is just plain false.
- >
- >>It is very pleasant to read messages from such polite person as you. I could
- >>only mention that you don't have any evidence at all.
- >
- > Actually, he's spoken about his grandfather, and cited a fair number of things
- > that were quite factual.
- >
- >>Christian Lampl, you were eager to fight with Nazis? I am waiting your
- >>response.
- >
- > Again, stupid, disgusting tactics like this reflect only on those who
- > speak them. Keep it clean.
-
- Roger, did you understand that my email was an answer to email of Boris
- Kuschel, which was directed against Christian Lampl too. I quoted Boris, Chris
- have never said such things. When I asked him to respond I was serious, because
- Boris writtings were inspired by our dispute with Chris. I understood his email
- as "You and Chris are both stupid. You didn't even read "Mein Kampf". Holocaust
- never happened. So what a hell are you talking about?"
-
- Cordially
-
- Victor Abkevich
- >
- > Roger
-