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- Subject: Re: Tomahawk cost
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- Date: 24 Jan 93 15:53:08 GMT
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- In article <C17vrM.Exy@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com
- (T.M.Haddock) says:
- >
- >From hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
- >
- >It has been reported that the Iraqi's fired something like 100 Exocets
- >and numerous Silkworms, yet none are known to have hit any ships. If
- >the CIWS didn't stop them, what did?
-
- Well, how about SAM's? Kinda made for that purpose, and some of them are
- supposed to be pretty damn good at it. Off the top of my head, I could
- also suggest gunfire (3 or 5-inch guns DO have an anti-air capability).
- Chaff and flares also spring to mind, as do AAM's from carrier-borne a/c.
-
-
- >The only way you could have "multiple missiles incoming from unknown
- >directions", is to be on the open ocean at war with some other major
- >sea power or somekind of surprise attack while in a inland sea or such.
- >
- >Besides, each CIWS station is responsible for only a small quadrant
- >of the ship's perimeter and acts independently and automatically (in
- >the case of Phalanx at least). None of them cover a 360 deg circle by
- >itself.
- >
- >And what about the Falklands?
- >
- >
- >TRAVIS
-
- OK, what about the Falklands? The Argentines launched several abortive
- attacks vs. UK ships, from aircraft. Is Argentina a major sea power? (Hmm.
- Judgement call.). But some of the attacks were successful- _Sheffield_ was
- the most famous, but _Gloworm_ was also hit- was that the one where a single
- Exocet was launched from a FLATBED TRUCK by a jury-rigged fire-control system?
- The point here is that CIWS is not all powerful, and I think it might be a
- bit hyped. Remember- it is a LAST-RESORT weapon. Else why does the USN have
- all those guided-missile cruisers to protect the carriers?
-
- Finally, what constitues a >large< quadrant (aside from the semantic
- problems there...)? If I remember right, Improved-Nimitz carriers carry 3
- or 4 (at most) CIWS. That is at least 25% for some of them (definitely
- more- the guns are not arranged symmetrically around the ship). Iowa-class
- BB's (I think) have 2. Pretty damn big ships, there. And Perry-class
- frigates carry (count 'em) ONE. As I said, last resort. The idea is that
- the carrier has a/c and CG's and DDG's to protect it. The BB will also have a
- surface AA escort group. The frigate packs its own SAM's,and good luck.
-
- Chris
-