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- From: lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu
- Subject: Re: Silencers (was Re: Sonic Sniper Locater)
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:54:38 GMT
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- From lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu
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- In article <C10pq4.4nH@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, finn@isi.edu (Greg Finn) writes:
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- >From Greg Finn <finn@isi.edu>
- >
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- >In article <C0utIu.JI4@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
- >>Hmmm...McMillan makes a few sniper rifles in .300WM that are fully suppressed
- >>with full length integral barrel suppressors. These weapons have been known
- >>to kill out to 300 yards and are completely quiet. According to one SEAL
- >>who used one in Desert Storm:
- >
- > I concur with the comments made earlier. This sounds wrong.
- >Consult Duncan Long's book on combat ammunition for a short discussion
- >of why this is not likely. The supersonic crack is very loud. On the
- >other hand, if the suppressor lowers the velocity to subsonic, why use
- >a .300 Weatherby?
- >--
- >Gregory Finn (310) 822-1511
- >Information Sciences Institute, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292
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- The SEALs use handloaded rounds for long distance firing, and for short
- range they use the suppressed weapons with a special Finnish subsonic
- load. It might have been Norwegian loads.
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- >From the article I gathered that they use the subsonic ammunition for close
- in work and the other stuff for long distance. The prefer .300WM I guess
- because in general it is harder hitting, retains more energy, and also
- flies flatter ( assuming supersonic travel ) compared to the .308.
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- The two exact accounts listed of the weapon use were two confirmed kills
- of sentries situated on an oil platform, hit at night from a Zodiac
- approx 300 yards away, using subsonic ammo. The other confirmed was
- hitting a tank commander in the head as he peeked out of his hatch from
- 800 yards away, using supersonic ammo.
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- Brian
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- PS Some confusion may arise because McMillan makes both a suppressed and
- non-suppressed version of the M89. The non-suppressed is available for
- sale to public. About 2000 dollars.
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