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- From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards)
- Subject: Re: Roads and Taxes (was Re: NEWS: True Costs of )
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.011509.1333@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- References: <51920@seismo.CSS.GOV> <yjcshr=@dixie.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:15:09 GMT
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- In article <yjcshr=@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
- |> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
- |>
- |> >I agree with you only in that there is an imbalance in Federal vs. Local
- |> >control of taxes. I do not have the opinion of Federal taxes are wrong.
- |> >I think they are essential for the nation - it is why the constitution
- |> >was created in the first place. Certain things must be done at a federal
- |> >level, and certain regions of the country will be net payers and others
- |> >net "tit-suckers". Preferably, the government will allow this only
- |> >where it truly benefits the nation as a whole. It is up to us to elect
- |> >officials who will do this correctly - any failing is directly due to
- |> >voting for the wrong person.
- |>
- |> Actually Richard, the Constitution was written specifically to prohibit
- |> federal income taxes. The founding fathers rightly feared a strong federal
- |> government and realized that taxes were the root of power. Check Article
- |> 8, para 1 and 22.
-
- Shouldn't that be Article I, section 8, para 1 & section 9 para 4?
-
- At the time of the signing of the constitution no country had ever imposed an
- income tax on its citizens. Britain was the first in 1799, although even this
- was a temporary emergency measure. The common methods of taxation were head
- taxes and consumption taxes. Since the paragraph in question specifically
- addresses head taxes, and since there had been no history of income taxes in
- the America or England, I would think the intent was to ensure uniformity of
- congressionally imposed head taxes rather than prohibition of income tax.
-
- The founding fathers did not in general fear a strong federal government ...
- the Federalists were in power the first 12 years of constitutional rule. If
- the founding fathers simply wanted a loose association of states they would
- have stuck with the original Articles of Confederation.
-
- |> Note that any taxes levied against the citizens
- |> must be uniform and based on the census. Only after the ill-begotten
- |> 16th amendment did the federal government gain the means of seizing
- |> power from the states and the people. (BTW, has anyone contemplated
- |> the fact that the 16th did not repeal the requirement of Article 8, para 1
- |> that taxes be uniform? That would sure kill "progressive" [newspeak for
- |> 'soak the worker, give to poor and gov't tit suckers'] tax schemes.)
-
- A progressive income tax is not uniform, but then a flat income tax is not
- either. Since sales taxes are regressive, having a progressive income tax
- does not seem unreasonable to me.
-
- hmm, this doesn't really seem to be directly relevant to energy does it ...
-
- Larry Edwards
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