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- From: apurva@cs.sfu.ca (Apurva Desai)
- Subject: Re: The best ever Test XIs
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.201313.3611@cs.sfu.ca>
- Summary: Best ever Indian Eleven?
- Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <1993Jan22.190936.15582@nmsu.edu> <1993Jan23.040421.28286@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:13:13 GMT
- Lines: 170
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- In article <1993Jan23.040421.28286@news.acns.nwu.edu>, sidiyus@courtney.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan22.190936.15582@nmsu.edu> sbasu@kirk (BASU) writes:
- > >
- > > I've decided to make a list of all time great XIs from Australia,
- > England,
- > > India, New Zealand, Pakistan & the West Indies for Tests.
- > >
- >
- > Good job. These ideas are all off the top of my head - so don't
- > flame too much !
- >
- > > AUSTRALIA
- > > ---------
- > > Vic Trumper
- > > Arthur Morris
- > > Sir Don Bradman (c)
- > > Greg Chappel
- > > Allan Border
- > > Neil Harvey (vc)
- > > Rod Marsh (wk)
- > > Dennis Lillee
- > > Richie Benaud
- > > Fred Spofforth
- > > Jeff Thomson
- > >
- >
- > Iam mot sure of Thomson - surely there must be someone better (if
- > not faster). I would go Lindwall. Also, definately Miller somewhere - the
- > man was arguably the best (definately one of the best) all-rounders who
- > ever lived !! I'd drop either Chappel or Border - Trumper,Morris, The
- > Don, Harvey, one of C/B, plus Miller is good enough, thanks very much !!
- >
- >
- > > ======================
- > >
- > > ENGLAND
- > > -------
- > > W G Grace (c)
- > > J B Hobbs (vc)
- > > Bill Edrich
- > > Dennis Compton
- > > David Gower
- > > Les Ames (wk)
- > > Ian Botham
- > > Fred Trueman
- > > Jim Laker
- > > Brian Statham
- > > Bob Willis
- > >
- >
- > There are so many good players here, Iam sure Iam forgetting many.
- > But maybe Peter May, Boycott, Hammond ?? Also, Barnes etc. Tyson for
- > Willis. And my heart agrees with Gower, tho my mind asks me to think again
- > :-)
- >
- > > ========================
- > >
- > > INDIA
- > > -----
- > > Sunil Gavaskar (vc)
- > > Vijay Merchant (c)
- > > Vijay Manjrekar
- > > G R Vishwanath
- > > Dilip Vengsarkar
- > > Faroukh Engineer (wk)
- > > Kapil Dev
- > > Manoj Prabhakar
-
- Definitely not him . I had rather go for Vinoo Mankad or no one. No doubt he is a good bowler at this stage but not an all time great.
- > > E A Prassanna
- > > Bishen S Bedi
- > > B Chandrashekar
- > >
- > Jeez, definately not Prabhakar !!! I mean, I think he's a good
- > bowler and all, and has been terrific of late. But really, one only has to
- > look at the stats to disqualify him !! He has 66 wickets in 23 tests, at
- > an average of 42.55 !!! ( I was surprised at how high the average was).
- > His strike rate is 87.76 - pretty low again ( Ayub is 89.34, and I don't
- > think his parents mother suggest he's All-Time Indian XI material :-) )
- > The spinners are fine, of course. The other paceman - I don't have figures
- > on me but maybe Amar Singh or someone of that generation ?? Or Nissar??
- > And while Iam clearly biased, maybe we ought to consider Azhar ? ( I know,
- > Iam a fan and am thinking with my heart. Plus, he hasnt scored against all
- > comers - yet !). But, V'kar has a better average than Vishy, by about a
- > run/inning -from memory. And V'kar is 116 tests, 42.14, 17 tons. Azhar is
- > 51 tests, 44.55, 11 tons . At the moment - pure stats are comparable at
- > the very least. Also, Kirmani may or may not have been a better pure
- > keeper than Farouk. Never saw Farouk, maybe some netters could comment??
- >
- >
- > > ==================
- > =====
- > >
- > > NEW ZEALAND
- > > -----------
- > > John Wright
- > > Glen Turner
- > > Geoff Howarth
- > > Martin Crowe
- > > Bev Congdon
- > > Mike Burgess (vc)
- > > John Reid (c)
- > > Sir Richard Hadlee
- > > Ian Smith (wk)
- > > Lance Cairns
- > > Danny Morrison
- > >
- >
- > Pass on most of this, except that Danny can't hold a solid place
- > in todays team !! I like him, but maybe Chatfield from the near past ?
- >
- > > ====================
- > >
- > > PAKISTAN
- > > --------
- > > Hanif Md
- > > Majid Khan
- > > Zaheer Abbas
- > > Javed Miandad
- > > Mustaque Md
- > > Asif Iqbal (c)
- > > Imran Khan (vc)
- > > Abdul Qadir
- > > Wasim Akram
- > > Wasim Bari
- > > Sarfraz Nawaz
- > >
- > Am sure you'll recieve flames for the omission of Waqar, but I
- > actually agree with you !! Would rather have Sarf , at the moment. Is
- > Mushtaq worth a spot ? If so, should be be anything other than captain ??
- > Definately not Asif as capt, with Mushtaq and Imran around.
- >
- > > ===================
- > >
- > > WEST INDIES
- > > -----------
- > > Gordon Greenidge
- > > Conrad Hunte
- > > George Headley (c)
- > > Everton Weekes
- > > Viv Richards
- > > Clyde Walcott (wk)
- > > Sir Gary Sobers
- > > Wes Hall
- > > Joel Garner
- > > Michael Holding
- > > Lance Gibbs
- >
- > How about Worrell ? or Constantine ? ( I know, no room :-) ) Well,
- > surely Marshall ?? I think he's been shortchanged for a while now - 376
- > wickets in 81 tests at 20.94, strike rate 46.77 !!!!! Compare with say an
- > Akram strike rate of 56.31, and 177 wickets off 45 tests, and you realize
- > just how sensational Marshall was !! Hate to say it, but maybe in place of
- > Garner ??
- >
- > > =====================
- > >
- > > Dare any of you to come up with a better XI from any of the above
- > > countries! Suggestions about South Africa will be welcome.
- > >
- > To quote the great Bugs , addressing Sam : "..... I dares. " :-)
- >
- > Sadiq [ dastardly varmint ] Yusuf
- >
- > > - Scrooge McDuck
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