home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
- Path: sparky!uunet!gatech!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!tloughin
- From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
- Subject: Relative Merits (was Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-()
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.083956@IASTATE.EDU>
- Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System)
- Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
- Organization: Iowa State University
- References: <1993Jan13.115511.511@otago.ac.nz> <GRABINER.93Jan20140019@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:39:56 GMT
- Lines: 60
-
- In article <GRABINER.93Jan20140019@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu>,
- grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan19.125019@IASTATE.EDU>, Thomas M Loughin writes:
- >
- > > But is a firstbaseman who slugs 50 points above average more or less
- > > valuable than a shortstop who does the same (everything else held at
- > > average)? What about 50 below.
- >
- > Offensively, the difference is the same; if your shortstop slugs 50
- > points below league average for a shortstop, while your first baseman is
- > 50 points above, your team offensive totals will be the same as if both
- > players were league average. One extra hit provides the same number of
- > runs, no matter who gets it.
- >
- Stop making sense--you're confusing me! :-}
-
- > > My view of these distributions is
- > > that a firstbaseman with an SLG of .365 is either jobless or gets
- > > traded from California to Montreal, while I can think of quite a few
- > > who come in at .465 or better. It appears to be a highly skew
- > > distribution (in _my_ imagination, anyway).
- >
- > This is correct, because talent is normally distributed, but then
- > baseball selects from the far right end of the distribution. There are
- > only a few people who play first base and can slug .530; there are
- > hundreds who can play first base and slug .300, but none of them have
- > jobs.
- >
- > > On the other hand, a
- > > .400-slugger at short is a definite keeper, while a .300 slugger at
- > > short is called "gloveman."
- >
- > This is why it is more likely that a .300-slugger at short can stay
- > around, because he can be a good glove man for a shortstop and thus save
- > a lot of runs. If he isn't, he won't keep his job. A poor offensive
- > player for his position at first base cannot be valuable enough
- > defensively to be a good player.
- >
- You're right, of course. My thinking on the matter is largely motivated by
- drafting strategies for fantasy leagues. Suppose your first-round pick came
- down to a choice between a .450-slugging SS or a .515-sligging firstbaseman.
- Which would you tend to lean toward?
-
- My feeling is that it is easier to replace the firstbaseman with someone around
- average than it is to find a comparable replacement at short (since even the
- "poor-hitting" regulars at first aren't as far below their position's average
- than the poor-hitting shortstops).
-
- This was particularly true at second a few years ago, before guys like Alomar,
- Baerga, and Deshields came along. EVERYONE wanted Sandberg, and EVERYONE
- wanted Will Clark, but since the dropoff in replacing Sandberg was potentially
- larger, I valued Sandberg a bit higher. Of course, I never drafted high
- enough to get either of them, anyway...
-
- It's tough to evaluate drafting strategies purely, because the GM's subjective
- judgement and relative knowledge always interfere. Maybe a simulation would
- work...
-
- -Tom.
-
-