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- From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
- Newsgroups: rec.railroad
- Subject: Re: high-speed turnouts (points)
- Message-ID: <3251@tymix.Tymnet.COM>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 05:15:37 GMT
- References: <1993Jan25.194010.13882@Princeton.EDU>
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- In article <1993Jan25.194010.13882@Princeton.EDU> jsm@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Scott McCauley Jr.) writes:
- >I have a few questions about turnouts used for high-speed passenger service:
-
- I have a Track Cyc, I'll take a stab at some of these -
-
- >1) What are typical frog numbers? Anything above #20? Do these big switches
- > require multiple switch machines?
-
- AREA have standards for the following switch #s: 5,6,7,8,9,10,
- 11,12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20.
-
- Some individual railroads use other #s, including both sharper than
- #5, and flatter than #20. The Cyc cites #24 and #30 frogs in experimental
- use. (it doesn't say where)
-
- Ordinary turnouts do not require more than one motor, no matter the
- frog angle. (slip switches, lap switches, movable point crossings
- and other special track do require more than one motor)
-
- >2) What are typical speed restrictions? Does a train have to slow down
- > through a #8 or a #10 switch if the switch is set to the straight route
- > rather than diverging route? Are there different limits for facing-
- > point switches (train reaches points before frog) and trailing-point
- > switches (train reaches frog before points)?
-
- There are separate speed recommendations for straight points and
- curved points (curved turnouts are *not* what is being refered to)
-
- Also, equilateral (wye) turnouts allow faster speed than lateral
- turnouts. The table's long, here are a few typical values:
-
- frog # straight point/lateral straight point/equilateral
- ------ ---------------------- --------------------------
- 5 12 mph 16 mph
- 6 13 19
- 8 19 27
- 10 20 28
- 14 27 38
- 20 36 52
-
- Here are figures for curved points
-
- frog # curved point/lateral curved point/equilateral
- ------ -------------------- ------------------------
- 5 12 17
- 6 15 21
- 8 20 28
- 10 25 35
- 14 34 49
- 20 50 70
-
- There is no mention of a difference for the direction of motion over
- the switch in these numbers. The speed recommendations are derived
- from keeping lateral acceleration low and have little to do with
- worrying about the points.
-
- The speed recommendations are with reference to the diverging route
- (both routes in case of equilateral turnout); and in theory no
- speed reduction is needed when taking the straight route. This
- is reflected in the use of speed signaling for most interlockings.
-
- >3) Does a 'swing-nose' turnout help? I think a swing-nose switch has an
- > active frog. Any other types of switches out there?
-
- The Cyc doesn't seem to use the term "swing nose"; I'm not familiar
- with the term. Some switches have "spring rail frogs" (often
- called spring switches). Another type of special frog is the
- self-guarding frog, which obviates the need for separate guard rails
- next to the stock rails.
-
- >4) Are wye switches frequently used to save space where large frog numbers
- > are used?
-
- Large frog numbers imply high speed which in turn implies lots of
- longitudinal space. The shortening of a wye switch is unlikely
- to be a consideration. Rather, the equilateral turnout will be used
- due to the great improvement in safe speed (see dramatic 20 mph
- difference in last line in above charts)
-
- Hope this helps,
-
- Michael Stimac
- --
- Michael Stimac
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- romeo@tymnet.com
- These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
-