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- From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
- Subject: Re: Carjacking, part two
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.052043.29468@alw.nih.gov>
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- Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:20:43 GMT
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- doug@UC780.UMD.EDU writes:
-
- [about shooting incident outside CIA]
-
- >Yes, but would you have saved yourself first, or tried to delay the
- >gunman?
-
- Me? I *think* I know me well enough to say that I would have
- reacted instinctively with no conscious thought at all, and that
- my first instinct would have been to keep me alive. Lizard
- brain, somebody called it. Not very chivalrous, but there it is.
-
- From what I can piece together, I'm not sure whether anyone
- involved had even the slightest chance of preventing the gunman
- from shooting other people anyway. It's not even clear that
- anyone had a real good shot at saving himself.
-
- The guy in the first vehicle comes closest. He was at ground
- zero, but survived anyway. He thinks it was because he
- immediately flung himself down on the front seat after noticing
- that his window had been shot out. A subsequent shot hit him,
- but it wasn't fatal. (That he was able to hit the deck so
- quickly makes you wonder whether he was wearing a seat belt.
- Well, it makes a perverse mind like mine wonder anyway.) He
- also had the presence and toughness of mind to resurface after
- the shooter had passed by his car in search of easier targets,
- and drive through the gates into the compound. I like to think
- I would have acted as sensibly.
-
- The other one you wonder about was the covert operations guy
- who just quietly died in his VW. His vehicle was second or third
- back, so there was at least the possibility that he had a few
- seconds to react. Nobody is saying whether he was armed, but
- that wouldn't be any big surprise. He *was* sitting on the far
- side of his car from the gunman. I think the fatal complication
- was that his wife was sitting next to him, on the side nearest
- the gunman. My guess is that his protective instincts overcame
- his survival instincts and froze him in place. The gunman
- didn't waste any time taking advantage of that.
-
- >Just what DO you do when some person sticks a high powered rifle
- >up to your window and opens up?
-
- Tough question. Most of these people were completely boxed in
- by other traffic, so there was no question of using their cars
- to run over the gunman or run away from him. And the fact that
- it *was* a high powered rifle means that the sheet metal of
- their cars wasn't going to provide any real cover. Concealment
- maybe, but not cover. So, it seems like the principal function
- of the cars in this case was to keep the targets from moving
- around so much that the gunman might have trouble hitting them
- :-(
-
- I hope I would do instinctively what victim #1 did. That is,
- cease to be a clear target as soon as I knew I *was* a target.
- Given a second or two, and a favorable position vis a vis the
- shooter, I would also try to get the hell out of the car (wife
- or no wife). Only after taking myself out of the crosshairs
- would it even occur to me that I was in a position to save other
- lives.
-
- >For an alleged wacko, he got away pretty smooth.
-
- Yeah, it kinda makes you wonder just how wacko he really is. But
- regardless, I still question his long term chances of getting
- away with whacking CIA staff members on the agency's own
- doorstep. Maybe it isn't the same place as it was 20 years ago,
- but I bet they still don't take real kindly to this kind of
- thing and will be leaning all over the local and Federal law
- enforcement people to nail this guy. Maybe they will even use
- SEALs :-0
- --
- Richard A. Drury National Institutes of Health
- drury@helix.nih.gov 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
-