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- From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: Faith in teachers (was "Is chi/ ki real?")
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.165552.12442@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 16:55:52 GMT
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- In <19930126.051325.787@almaden.ibm.com> dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas) writes:
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- >If it is scientific proof that will lead your mind, then say goodbye
- >to one of the central concepts of martial arts. When we study, we are
- >guided by faith in our sensei and the art. As beginners, we must have
- >faith, since most of it is way above our heads. Through commitment
- >and lots of hard training, some of us will gain true understanding
- >of some concepts. Ki is one of the more allusive ones. If you are
- >thinking "come on, give me examples I can SEE! Things I can MEASURE!!"
- >don't hold your breath. All I would say is "train harder, and have
- >faith."
-
- By "faith" here, I think you mean "trust", no? But trusting one's
- teachers is by no means incompatible with wanting reasonable justification
- in support of certain types of claims. You may trust your teacher to
- provide quality instruction, but if s/he tells you that s/he was kidnapped
- by space-aliens, must you have faith that s/he is telling the truth about
- this in order to continue to trust his/her ability to instruct you well?
- Most martial arts instructors are more-or-less ordinary folks in respect of
- their knowledge of science and philosophy, so it is probably unreasonable to
- expect them to have extraordinary knowledge of such matters. Therefore,
- when a MA teacher makes an ontological/metaphysical/scientific claim, it is
- by no means unreasonable to question his/her justification for such a claim.
- Furthermore, it seems to me that faith or trust is one thing, and blind
- faith or blind trust is another. I trust my instructors because I have
- extremely good evidence that they know what they're doing. I wouldn't trust
- most of my instructors, however, to pronounce authoritatively on things
- which are outside their particular expertise.
- So if an instructor says to me "You need to learn to focus your
- middle-goombah matrix", I am fully within my rights to ask what this
- middle-goombah-matrix is, where it is, whether it's just an expedient
- concept or whether I'm supposed to believe that it really exists, and if so,
- what the evidence is for its existence.
- Having respect for and trust in one's teachers doesn't require uncritical
- acceptance of everything s/he says. On the contrary, it seems to me that
- you owe it to your instructor to help him/her become a better teacher and a
- better MAist by asking questions.
-
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