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- From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
- Subject: Re: Greenoch History (OLD REPOST)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.082927.25183@netcom.com>
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- References: <1993Jan25.005056.4335@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <C1Dy8M.3Mr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:29:27 GMT
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- In article <C1Dy8M.3Mr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
- >
- >Seriously.. what *IS* Greenoch?
-
- Reposted without permission from my personal archives...
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- From: dougw@gaia.sybase.com (Doug Welch)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Green Druid revisited
- Keywords: Greenoch, Ancient, Deadly
- Message-ID: <14543@sybase.sybase.com>
- Date: 21 Aug 91 21:42:17 GMT
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- Reply-To: dougw@gaia.UUCP (Doug Welch)
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- Status: OR
-
- In response to the suggestion to repost, the following is a
- reposting of a couple of pieces concerning the Green Druid and
- the ancient combat style, Greenoch.
- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- I study an ancient celtic martial art called Greenoch. It was
- used by a secret society called the Greenoch during midevel
- times for assasinations and espionage.The group were for the nost
- part employed secretly by the royal courts of midevil Europe.
-
- The art has been secretly handed down from master to student
- since the 12th century and although there has been no recorded
- activity of the Geenoch society in several hundred years,
- I can vouch for the authenticity of my teacher Master Field Marshall
- Jim Weiss, the first non celtic Greenoch master in history.
-
- I believe Greenoch is very useful on the streets. If someone came up
- to me to mug me I would use Greenoch moves and then some Judo moves
- and then some more Greenoch moves. If there were two of them I
- would also use some Ninjutsu and TKD moves.
-
- As far as sport goes, Greenoch is NOT a sport and I know if
- a TKD guy tries anything on a Greenoch guy or a Ninjutsu
- guy it would be over in a flash.
-
- This is because these arts were used secretly for espionage
- in the middle ages and posess deadly knowledge. This enables the
- Greenoch or Ninjutsu practitioner to easily overpower any
- fighter of superior strength and atheletic ablility. Strategic
- psychological experience also matters little; its all in the
- moves you learn. The secret death blows and castle entry
- techniquies are especially potent.
-
- Master Field Marshall Weiss must be able to trace his lineage
- back to the ancient Greenoch society, although I have never
- ask him. He teaches in L.A. now.
-
- I was wondering if there are any Greenoch schools in the SF
- Bay area. I have been studying it for almost a year now and
- would hate to quit now. However, I would also like to try
- mixing Greenoch, Ninjutsu and either Aikido or TKD.
- Would this work?
-
- Sincerely
- The Green Druid
-
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-
- Our hero, the Green Druid, ever searching for a more secret, more ancient
- more exotic martial art finds himself on the streets of Tokyo in
- an effort to find a sensei in the ancient art of Ninjutsu; preferably
- a shihan.
-
- As he walks along the brightly lit Ginza district he suddenly has the urge
- to take a left into an alley way criss crossed above by electrical and
- telephone wires, and flanked by lighted signs of bars, song pubs and tiny
- eating establishments. Many of the signs are in English (as this is
- a sort of prestige thing in Japan) but he chooses to enter a bar which had
- Japanese characters on their sign because this would be a far more
- likely place to find a practitioner of Ninjutsu (or might I say a Ninjutsu-ka).
- He had seen a similar strategy in a sammurai movie once.
-
- He sits alone for a while sizing up the clientele. They are mostly
- business men in suits, drinking and having a good time. The Green
- Druid is cautious, knowing, as always, he could be jumped at anytime.
-
- After a while he is convinced that a gentleman at the far end of the
- bar, sitting alone, staring ahead with stoic resolve must be a
- martial artist. He is very mysterious looking. Possibly he is
- one of the ever elusive secret ninja or perhaps he wears a black gi.
-
- The Green Druid approaches him and shows his familiarity and oneness
- with Asian cultures by bowing a real martial arts bow; his left open
- palm shielding his right fist. The man is somewhat surprised at this
- and looks up quizzically. "Konban wa", says the Green Druid to show
- that he is not just another foreigner, "I am looking for a good Ninja
- school ".
-
- "What?" says the man. He speaks some English. The green Druid
- looks for secret looking tatoos on the man.
-
- After quite a lengthy exchange, the man finally understands the word
- "Ninja". He laughs. "I don't know" he says as he turns away. "Kono hito wa
- hen desu". He says to the woman behind the bar, taking a drink from his glass
- of whiskey.
-
- The Green Druid decides to look elsewhere for a Ninjitsu sensei. On the
- train he meets with mostly strange looks. "They must be scared to talk
- about the ninja", the Green Druid thinks. He finally finds someone who will
- speak with him. "The sammurai days are over", the man says, "it's just like
- your Europian knights and castles. Maybe you can try Karate. I took it in
- high school, it's a good sport."
-
- "Nonsense", the Green Druid thinks. He exits the train at the Sengakuji
- station where he has read a very old and very famous Zen temple exists.
- Surely here they must have a Ninjutsu school. It is at this temple, he has
- read, that the remains of the "47 Ronin" were buried. He walks past some
- small tourist shops. At the temple, he sees a few tourists and sight seers.
- He pays a couple of hundred yen to walk through a small museum containing
- relics and clothing from the so called "47 Sammurai" historical event.
- He sees the graves of the 47 (or 48) sammurai, whisps of incense nestling
- moodily among the stones and bushes.
-
- Finally, he sees a robed resident of the temple. The man is
- wearing glasses which lends a duality of periods to his ambiance against the
- robes and among the simple white and brown wood buildings of the temple.
- "Do you have a Ninja school here?", asks the Green Druid.
-
- The man smiles shyly without really bothering to fully understand the
- question. "No, no..", he says shaking his head, as he walks away.
-
- "I've studied the 21 jitsu arts", the Green Druid calls to him.
-
- On the plane on the way back to California, the Green Druid reflects on
- how fortunate he is to have studied the ancient and secret Celtic martial art
- of Greenoch from Master Field Marshall Jim Weiss, the first non celtic
- Greenoch master in the world. Considering his failure at finding a real
- Ninja school in Japan, he resolves to mix Wing Chun and Aikido ( or maybe
- Aikijitsu ) with Greenoch. "That will be brutal on the streets", he thinks to
- himself. And he still might be able to mix some Ninjutsu in there as well.
- "I know there's one guy teaching it in L.A.. You can take anything there",
- he thinks. "Next year I'll go to Scotland and get in on a secret meeting
- of the Ancient Greenoch Society. Or maybe I'll go to Taipei and study
- something secret there for a few weeks" .
-
- As he falls asleep he hears the words of Master Field Marshall Weiss :
- "Remember, it's not in your strength or athletic ability. It's not
- in your strategic psychological fighting experience. It's not
- in understanding the physics of body mechanics. It's not in any
- kind of internal strength or higher level of concentration.
-
- It's all down to what moves you know, and mine are ancient and secret."
-
- Later he dreams of Karate Kid's Mr. Miyagi speaking to him while
- pruning a Bonsai tree. He hears "..perhaps the westerner studying
- martial art tend to over intellectualize, over verbalize, over idealize.
- This not Zen, Green-san...remember, you have what you have. Now practice.".
-
- "Naa," he thinks, slightly aroused from his nap, "that wasn't even in the
- movie. Maybe some Muay Thai moves would be good too. And a Hapkido kick."
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-
- The name Jim Weiss is fictional
-
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- There you have it folks.
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