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- From: satadd00@nx07.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken)
- Subject: Re: Judo: the value of competition.
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:00:52 GMT
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- I wrote:
-
- >>The following things are not in dispute:
- >>
- >>1) Randori (free practice) is the most important form of judo training.
- >>2) Competitions are a useful form of judo training.
- >>
- >>If you do dispute these things, I will reproduce quotes from the relevant
- >>text(s) to show you that you and Kano do not agree.
-
- And Dave responded:
- > ...the above is in dispute. Kata placed a very important role in
- >Judo. Draeger's "Formal Techniques of Judo" print several statements
- >from the diaries of Kano to this effect.
- (snip)
-
- Dave has read my quotes. If anyone missed them, I would be happy to oblige.
- Kano clearly says that randori is the _most_ important form of training. Then
- comes kata. "Kata" in this context should be translated "set practice",
- because it seems that Kano was referring to all prearranged exercises to
- contrast them with free exercises. (BTW, of course kata is also important.
- Randori/kata, like spontineity/consistency are a yin/yang type of thing for
- good judo, and are inseparable).
-
- In this, judo (_Kodokan_ Judo, of course) differs vastly from the many jujutsu.
- In some jujutsu schools, randori was simply not done, or was limited to what I
- would call "counterattack katas with branching", where I mean branching in the
- sense of binary trees--if tori failed, uke became tori and chose between two
- attacks, and so on. In other jujutsu schools, randori was forbidden to the
- beginner; once he had mastered the kata, he could begin randori, but the
- emphasis on kata remained.
-
- For some time I have been harboring a suspicion that Dave was a practicioner
- of a non-Kodokan judo. As such, he is certainly free to criticize our art, and
- its rules for competition. But one should realize that he does this as
- something of an outsider.
-
- >So, the best working definition of Judo is not Kodokan Judo.
- (snip)
-
- I figured as much.
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- Scott Taddiken, University of Kentucky
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