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- From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: SUMMARY--RFI:getting a 9mm (not SIG, not Glock)
- Message-ID: <1k3pldINNd1a@shelley.u.washington.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 03:36:30 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- Since someone expressed interest, here's the summary of my RFI on
- getting a 9mm. As you can see, opinions vary. Once I get a loan from
- our esteemed moderator, I'll probably get them all. ;o)
- Names have been deleted to protect the guilty.
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- Try one of the East German Makarov's if you can -
- inexpensive and well made as well as functional as a WALTHER !!
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- I have a Star M30MI, and love it. It is very accurate,
- very reliable, and very durable. I bring this up, because
- today I saw an ad for the nickel Star M31P, ("updated" m30:
- 3.9" barrel, 38 oz, all steel, durable e-nickel finish)
- for $280 wholsale. If you wanted one of these you can have
- an FFL, like myself order one for you (a dealer in your own
- area would be more practical). Star guns beat the Taurus or
- Ruger autoloaders any day.
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- Another thing you should consider is the Astra A-100
- 9mm. My .45 version is excelent, reliable, all steel, holds
- 10 rds of .45 weighs less than a Colt Officer's model (34oz),
- It will do ~1-2 inches at 25 yards, and everybody I've talked
- to who has either caliber says the same. Imporation of the
- current batch will be delayed until march, but the A-90s are
- still around. Liberty Loan, near Pike place had a real nice
- A-80 (same thing in .38 super, 16 rds, 3.8" barrel, 33 oz)
- with a chrome finish that's worth a look. They have lots of
- neat stuff there most times.
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- The Astra A 80-100s are way better than the Ruger or Taurus,
- and for less money. ~280 wholesale.
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- One word: Browning.
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- Two more words: High Power.
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- Well, if the Taurus fits you, the Beretta will also. I have had two Berettas,
- and have nothing but compliments for their quality, accuracy, and shootability.
- One drawback - 9mm Berettas are too big of a gun for 9mm and 15-round capacity.
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- Beretta 92s are too large for good concealment, in my opinion,
- but then some people carry even larger guns concealed and seem
- to succeed at it. Check out single-column compact models;
- S&W made some good ones (3913 I think was one).
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- David, I will skip the philosophy kind of stuff about guns because
- you seem to have covered (or at least started to cover) it when you
- started the decision about getting a handgun. Good for you!
-
- Now on to the meat. My best advice is to get a gun that _fits_ you.
- You have to be able to hold, grip, manipulate, fire, reload, etc the gun
- for it to be any good to _you_. But you also have to make some trade offs
- about cost, overall size (as you said you may want this to be a carry gun),
- and caliber (affects everything else to a BIG degree).
-
- So you have already (preliminarily) narrowed the choice down to a 9mm
- semiauto. (not a bad choice in my book) And you said you like the way the
- Taurus felt in your hand and that an uncle might sell you a Beretta 92FSC
- (compact). I like Beretta 92-series guns (personal bias here) better than
- the clone (the Taurus). The Beretta's are better machined are usually
- of better overall quality, but you pay for all that ($$).
-
- My overall advice to you: See how the Beretta feels to you and try to
- go out and shoot it if possible. If it fits you and feels good, then get it.
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- Avoid the Ruger semi-autos (Bill Ruger has pissed off many people with
- his supposed endorsement of magazine limits and other gun-control limits and
- the Ruger guns are _said_ to have lousy trigger feels. Yes they are cheap,
- and why?) The SIG's are nice feeling guns (good ergonomics) but a bit
- pricey and they have a different set of controls (not neccessarily better
- or worse, just different). The Glock's are really different, some like 'em and
- some don't.
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- Have fun with the choices and good luck!
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- I spent 3 month on studying 9mm before I have my Beretta 92FS in my house.
- My biggest concern was safety - only fire when you pull the trigger and no
- jam at all. I picked the Beretta.
-
- $400 would be a good price on "MINT" Beretta 92FS compact, yet you are not
- too far from buying a new one. But, considering all other things with buying
- it from your uncle, you will be all right. Put in this way, if it is in mint
- condition and on sale for $350, I will jump on it in subsecond. The rest is
- for you to decide.
-
- I have the full size 92FS, since I don't carry it around. I got into 3" group
- on black area of the NRA 25 yd slow fire target paper and that was after about
- 200 rd. I had never shot any handgun before and I was not trained by anyone
- other than one small book on how to shot. I think it is accurate.
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- There were something about the slide failure on 92 that people talking about
- from time to time. As far as I know, it happened on 92F model, 92FS has
- corrected it. It ahs not happened to me or anyone I know owns a Beretta 92FS.
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- The grip is "big" for some people, do try it out to see if it fits you. If
- it is in you hand nicely, you are in the club.
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- ok, let's make it short
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- forget the taurus, tey're mostly junk
- hk nice and small, but pricy (pobably not your case if you dopn't want a sig)
- tz75 also compact available, good value, cheap, get the non tropical finish
- walther probablz cheaper than the sig
-
- myu carry guns are glock 20 (waiting for nite site) and sig 226 with nite sites.for small guns i have a derringer and walther ppk
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