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- From: cescript@physerver (Charles Scripter)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: shooting under water?
- Message-ID: <9301260614.AA17803@mtu.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 13:05:03 GMT
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- David Basiji (basiji@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
- # gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
- # #However, the column of water in the barrel is MUCH less compressible than
- # #the normal corresponding column of air. Thus the bullet will meet more
- # #resistance moving down the barrel and so the internal volume will be less
- # #at any given point during the powder combustion. This should indeed lead
- # #to higher chamber pressure. How much higher, I don't know.
-
- # Sorry, I thought we were still in air. The external pressure will be
- # dependent on the depth at which the gun is held. You're right, internal
- # pressures will be much higher.
- # You won't catch me firing any guns under water.
-
- Actually, I don't think the pressure due to the depth will matter for
- the purpose of this exercise...
-
- Probably the most intuitive way to think about this problem is to add
- the mass of the column of water to the mass of the bullet (higher mass
- -> higher pressures). If we have a .40 caliber pistol, with a 6"
- barrel the mass of the water in the barrel would be about 12 grams
- (water has a density of 1 gm/cc); Let's see, that would be
- 12*(2.2*7000/1000)= 185 grains (did I do that right?). So, if you
- were shooting 180 grain slugs, it would be like moving up to 365 grain
- slugs; Not exactly a wise choice of loads... Of course this is
- completely ignoring things like viscosity (i.e. we assume
- "frictionless" water)... I would expect viscous forces to be more
- dominant in the smaller diameter bores, so small bore rifles would be
- *more* likely to blow up. [BTW, high power small bore rifles *are*
- more inclined to blow up when there is even a _little_ water in the
- barrel]. If someone wanted to be *real* ambitious they could figure
- out the force required to accelerate a column of water (with
- viscosity) through a pipe.
-
- --
- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu
- Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech University, Houghton, MI 49931
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