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- From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
- Subject: Re: Essay Time for Felix (Was: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights)
- References: <C1Atys.BvE@ais.org> <1993Jan23.104738.8425@umr.edu> <C1B6w1.EDv@ais.org>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:05:53 GMT
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- In article <C1B6w1.EDv@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
- >
- >ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:
- >
- >>In article <C1Atys.BvE@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
- >
- >[rights are tempered with responsibility]
- >
- >Totally agreed.
- >And, conversely, which party has the greatest potential for neglect
- >of responsibility? Which party reiterates over and over on a
-
- The users. After all, there are typically more users than administrators.
- And, who is it that makes the administrators cranky? The users!
-
- >public exchange that it indeed has no responsibility to the user,
- >their services are provided for free, that if you don't like
- >how it acts, you can go somewhere else? With this kind of
- >atmosphere, why is it surprising to you that many people feel
- >it's time to get us all to recognize that people on both ends
- >are humans with feelings?
-
- A competent administrator will realize this. What, do you want
- to make it a Federal law or something?
-
- >>There are no rights without responsibilities, Mr. Miller. Any
- >>person schooled in ethics knows this.
- >
- >Who holds most of the power in the situation?
-
- The users. Without the users a mud is nothing. If an administrator
- is a weenie, the users leave and go somewhere else. There is strength
- in numbers, you know.
-
- >>And don't call me "son". I don't have 23 of your chromosomes, and
- >>your condescension is disgusting.
- >
- >But you do deign to stereotype me as a "bleeding-heart liberal"
- >in your own, condescending manner. And you so skillfully express
- >derision for any theoretical discussion that would even suggest
- >administrators are capable of acting incorrectly.
-
- Ok, I'll say it. Administrators are capable of acting incorrectly.
- However, their stupidity will be its own punishment. No need to
- codify a "bill of players' rights".
-
- And, if you don't like me calling you a bleeding-heart liberal,
- well, too bad, I have a habit of calling it as I see it. And,
- I still don't have 23 of your chromosomes, so....
-
- >>Look, if you don't like a way a god/wizard runs a mud, you can vote
- >>with your feet. Otherwise, you will play it. Your rights on a mud
- >>number two: you have the right to connect and obey the rules of the
- >>mud, whatever they may be. If you don't agree, you have the right
- >>to go elsewhere. If you think that there aren't any muds that meet
- >>your specifications, then you create your own.
- >>
- >>This is how the game works, Mr. Miller.
- >
- >Mud administrators have no responsibility, yes yes yes.
-
- Yah, ok, maybe they do have the responsibility, but the abrogation
- of it brings its own penalty. No one asked for your interference
- in the process.
-
- >>Oh, yah, what about a mud-owner's right not to be told what to do
- >>by a group of net.bleeding.heart.liberals?
- >
- >Using your reasoning, I would suggest that said mud-owner exercise
- >his freedom to ignore the bleeding hearts and not read news.
-
- Why not, don't we all have the "right" to express our opinion here?
- Actually, if you think about it, you don't even have the right to
- post here. If your sysadmin gets a bug up his/her ass, then you
- lose your posting privs. Rights, schmights.
-
- >And btw, my original article in this thread was a challenge to
- >Felix to follow up on some of his chains of reasoning which
- >have become quite involved over a long series of articles, not
- >an invitation for you to take us back to square one with
- >your indignant sputtering. The Subject line often holds
- >valuable clues, read it.
-
- Then why did you respond to me, and save this for the *second*
- response? Sounds like someone's getting a *wee* bit frustrated.
- Good. Now you know how we group readers with an exaggerated
- sense of reality feel.
-
- cpk
-
- >--
- >"Consider a lion, sneaking up to rip an innocent gazelle into shreds. Is
- >this morally wrong, should the gazelle get a fighting chance, should we
- >step in and declare that gazelles have rights too? Of course not."
- > - Felix, on why mud users don't have rights
-
- Nice bit of context-hacking, BTW. You'd make a good tabloid journalist.
-
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