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- From: geppo@spot.wustl.edu (Giuseppe Bianchi)
- Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
- Subject: Re: Some questions about 2 over 1.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.203640.20795@wuecl.wustl.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 20:36:40 GMT
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- (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
- >>>Jacoby with a good biddable 5 card suit? Never. e.g.
- >>
- >>>Kxxx
- >>>Ax
- >>>xx
- >>>AKQxx
- >>>
- >>>Should ALWAYS bid 2C to show the suit, then support spades. This is much
- >>>more descriptive of the hand.
- >>They are also not Hugh Kelsey's opinions, nor Marty Bergen's.
- >
- >Kelsey? He is not a 2/1 GF guru and while Bergen might be considered to
- >be, his bidding is not considered mainstream by many U.S. experts.
- >Many of his ideas are SUPERB, and I have adopted many of them. Many
- >of them I totally dislike. [Sort of like A. Roth, come to think of it!]
- >
- >The trick taking potential of a good 5 card side suit is enormous.
-
- That's *absolutely true*.
- With lack of particular agreements, that hand *must* be bid 2C.
-
- In the given example the solidity of the side suit allows an easy hand
- evaluation also with a (not recomended, IMHO) jacoby response (responder
- doesn't need to know any complement in his club suit).
-
- But change the hand in
- Kxxx
- Axx
- x
- AQJTx
-
- and now the K of clubs can make the difference among 5S-1 and an
- easy 6 or 7S! After a Jacoby response, you can find yourself at the level of 5
- without knowing anything about the CK!
-
- >Furthermore, 2NT takes up a lot of room, so I believe the more sharply
- >you narrow its definition, the more useful I believe it will be.
- >I believe it is best used as a balanced, forcing raise, always with
- >4 card support AND it denies a good biddable 5-card side suit. Otherwise,
- >you simply start with a 2/1 in that suit and support spades later.
-
- On the other side I'm actually playing Bergen 2/1 style (i.e *never*
- 4 card support after a 2/1 bid).
-
- I've solved the problem of the 4 card support + 5+ side suit with 2+ top H
- (let's call it SOT = source of tricks suit; exceptionally AJTxx)
- giving multiple meaning to the bergen raises:
-
- 3C = nat. 6-9 p. 4 card raise
- *or*
- game forcing hand (9-12 p, say), 4 cards support, 5+ SOT side suit
-
- 3D = nat. limit (10-11 p.) 4 card raise
- *or*
- slam try hand (say 13+ p) with side SOT suit
-
- Those biddings are space consuming, thus the follow-up must be
- accurately planned in a partnership (one step relay catch-all forcing bid;
- askings bid after the responder declaration of his SOT suit should be
- recommended - for side singletons or SOT suit description, but
- I lived without much trouble for 3 years without them - playing mixed
- cues (singleton, Ks)).
-
- Anyway, with all the drawbacks that you can find, those Bergen raises
- extensions allow to have the cake and eat it too.
-
- Giuseppe.
-
- PS: I'm almost positive that when Bergen says: 2/1 denies 4 card support,
- he *has* in his private system some kind of conventional sistemation of
- the side SOT suit hands.
-