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- From: bclaus@cs.wright.edu (Brian Clausing)
- Subject: Re: What to do when the rules conflict?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.180150.29626@cs.wright.edu>
- Organization: Wright State University
- References: <1993Jan22.200014.5640@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:01:50 GMT
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- From article <1993Jan22.200014.5640@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus):
- > In article <1jml68INNdr7@transfer.stratus.com> tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan21.140619.19502@midway.uchicago.edu>, pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers) writes:
- >>> Playing at the club last nite, we came to the table of a pair who was
- >>> already plenty annoyed at us, because we had made a ruckus during the
- >>> previous round, thereby disturbing their tranquility.
- >>>
- >>> On the first board of the round, I dealt and opened 1C (alerted
- >>> as Precision). Next hand bid 2C (not alerted). Now, experience has
- >>> shown that on this auction, 75% of the time RHO doesn't know what the 2C
- >>> bid is. That is, either its Michaels and RHO thinks it is Natural, or
- >>> vice versa. In any case, they never alert it
- >>
- >>They're not suppossed to alert it, whatever it means. Several years ago,
- >>the ACBL tried to end confusion over which bids in suits first bid by the
- >>opponents should be alerted by declaring that none of them should be. In
- >>effect, "a cuebid carries its own alert."
- >>
- >
- > am i missing something here? doesn't the "don't alert cuebids" rule apply
- > only to bidding a suit that an opponent has bid NATURALLY?
- >
- > certainly the auction 1NT-p-2C-3C where 2C is Stayman sounds like clubs!
- >
- > similarly 1C (artificial, saying NOTHING about clubs) - 2C should be clubs
- > unless there's an alert; so the "a cuebid carries its own alert" shouldn't
- > apply here.
- >
- >
- > --steve altus
-
- Steve Altus is correct, but there's a little more. According to
- guidelines posted by Asya Kamsky, the ACBL Board of Directors (Fall
- 1989) defined a cue bid as
-
- A. A bid in a suit that the bidder cannot want to suggest as trump
- because
- 1. some other suit has been agreed as trump; or
- 2. an opponent has shown length in the suit whether or not the
- opponent has actually bid that suit; or
- B. [notrump bids that cannot be to play].
-
- It would seem that those who denote a 2C overcall after a big club
- opening a cue bid are confusing syntax and semantics.
-
- Brian Clausing
-