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- From: tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill)
- Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
- Subject: Re: What to do when the rules conflict?
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:51:44 GMT
- Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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- I wrote:
- > I suppose you have agreements concerning at least these three auctions:
- >
- > 1C-2C(natural)-P
- > 1C-2C(majors)-P
- > 1C-2C(no agreement)-P
- >
- > I also gather that the meanings of pass in those three auctions are
- > overlapping but not identical. If so, partner gave you the unauthorized
- > information that he has a pass in any of these auctions, so your future
- > bids and plays are restricted by Law 16A!
-
- Matthew Merzbacher wrote:
- > Not necessarily. Partner may have read their card (more thoroughly) before
- > bidding and thus knew what their defense was to 1C. Perhaps the opponents
- > had only filled out one card, and it was on partner's side of the table,
- > and you were late for the round, and...
-
- Rudy wrote:
- > This is silly. Partner gave no unauthorized information, except maybe that
- > he knows what your opponents are playing, and you don't. He might have
- > played against them before, looked at their convention card while you
- > weren't looking or made some other assumption.
-
- Certainly if responder might have known what the opponents' agreement was,
- then opener is not burdened with any unauthorized information. However, when
- "Jeremy Mathers" set the scene, he wrote:
- > ... Now, experience has
- > shown that on this auction, 75% of the time RHO doesn't know what the 2C
- > bid is. That is, either its Michaels and RHO thinks it is Natural, or
- > vice versa. In any case, ... they usually explain it wrong.
-
- That suggests to me that responder did not know what the overcall meant,
- that responder did not ask because he knew what his call would be in any case
- and didn't want to give the opponents an opportunity to exchange unauthorized
- information, and that opener KNEW that responder didn't know what the overcall
- meant.
-
- If that's right, then it was pointless for opener to insist on knowing the
- opponents' agreement (if any) concerning the overcall before explaining
- his side's agreement concerning responder's pass. Opener should have given all
- three explanations without a fuss.
-
- I just wanted to make it clear that simply by taking a few seconds to check out
- the 2C bid before passing, responder would have avoided the whole confrontation
- between opener and opener's RHO, and would also have avoided giving opener
- unauthorized information,
-
- If responder has enough experience with this auction to know that "75% of the
- time [LHO] doesn't know what the 2C bid is," then he should know how to check it
- out while minimizing the opportunity for misinformation and unauthorized
- information: First check the convention card. If it's inconclusive, ask LHO
- "Have you discussed what 2C means in this auction?" If the answer is "No, but
- I think ...," interrupt quickly with "Thanks. That's okay. I just wanted to
- know whether you have an agreement."
- --
- Tim Hill
- Stratus Computer, Inc. tnh@vos.stratus.com
- 55 Fairbanks Boulevard 508-460-2232
- Marlborough, MA 01752 fax 508-624-7488
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