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- From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
- Subject: Re: Wheel Wonderings
- Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:13:00 +0000
- Message-ID: <memo.889997@cix.compulink.co.uk>
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- In-Reply-To: <1460066@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
-
- jobst_brandt writes .....
-
- > Yes, in tension, but the spokes are not being used as tension
- > elements. They are prestressed and are being used as compression
- > elements so their carrying limit is when they go slack and can no
- > longer perform any structural function. WHen the bottom spokes
- > become slack, the rim has no contact with the hub except by the
- > relatively small lateral bending stiffness. If you don't believe
- > that this strength is small you need only to take a loosely spoked
- > wheel , hold it like a car steering wheel while pressing its axle
- > into the floor.
- >
-
- OK, well I don't have such a wheel around so you'll have to tell me
- what happens.
- From what you say, when the load exceeds the preset tension of the
- spokes the rim will begin to buckle. It'll bend in and become flat
- with the floor. What happens as you continue to increase the force
- into the floor.
- You are probably right about my still thinking in terms of tension, I
- figure it is the use of the word compression that I find odd. As far
- as I can tell what you are saying is that it is the compression of
- the tensioned bottome spoke which throws the equilibrium of spoke
- tension out sufficiently to allow the top spoke to support the load
- without any change in it's tension.
- I guess engineering is like most 'sciences' in that it borrows from
- the English language all sorts of words then makes their use
- sufficiently different that when discussed with a layman,
- misunderstandings and inexactitudes will occur. Pharmacology is no
- different with words like efficacy and potency have quite precise
- meanings :)
-
- > unbraced length of the column under compression. The rim has no
- > bracing when several spokes become slack so that without even a side
- > load, the rim tends to bow to the side.
-
- Is this a random property or one brought about by the non uniform
- properties of the rim material.
-
- !"*!)"(*! "I'm sure this looked good when I first did it ? "
- ????|?|?| Aikido .. Pharmaceuticals .. and Cycling.
- Aurelio
-