home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
- Path: sparky!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!scsing.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!batcomputer!caen!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!serval!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!97994779
- From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
- Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
- Message-ID: <16B63A296.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>
- Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System)
- Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
- References: <16B62745.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <1993Jan26.174445.12732@leland.Stanford.EDU> <16B638E6.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <1993Jan27.164212.3130@colorado.edu>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:33:41 PST
- Lines: 75
-
- In article <1993Jan27.164212.3130@colorado.edu>
- jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins) writes:
-
- >
- >Inequality for who? For the women?
-
- YES, for the women!! If you are a women and your men's team is not very good
- you cannot compensate by having a good women's team. The women don't receive
- as many points for winning. Its plain and simple math here!! If school A
- places men 1,5,7 and women 3,9,10 they should tie the team B who places
- men 3,9,10 and women 1,5,7. But, we say that women aren't as valuable as
- men and thus team A wins. Is that fair?? NO. Women are hindered more by not
- having a good men's team than men are by not having a good women's team.
-
- Or do I detect the voice of a man feeling
- >just a little bit threatened that the success of his team might depend just
- >as much upon its female members as it does its male members? You haven't
- >yet convinced me that you have the female riders' best interests at heart.
-
- I am pretty offended about what you are insinuating! And I am sorry if you
- can't follow the math above and see the reality in which we live!
-
- >As a previous poster indicated (Mike McCallum, I think, but I'm not sure),
- >it's up to the team to recruit and support the members it needs to be
- >competitive. This works both ways. For the most part, it helps the
- >women, because the men know that if they don't keep the women involved,
- >we not only lose women from the sport, but the competitiveness of the
- >entire team is reduced. Yes, your team can "survive" without the women.
- >I have to say, however, that that statement is very, very scary. Why does
- >WSU have very few women? I would guess that you have a pretty significant
- >female student population.
-
- WSU is located in Eastern WA we actually have a winter. It gets very cold and
- miserable here in the winter time. As you know with any new new cyclists
- winter training is pretty low on the scale of excitement, especially in the
- winter we have here. We have encouraged everyone we can to get involved in the
- sport we love. We have even gotten bikes for people who wanted to get involved.
- Our biggest problem isn't finding women who want to ride, its in finding
- women who want to race. there is a woman at our school who is one of the best
- cyclists I have ever ridden with. I know that if she put her mind to it she
- could be an incredible US athlete and probably compete in the international
- arena, but she just doesn't want to race. Its that simple.
-
- For someone who has a pretty good
- >opportunity to further women's riding staring them in the face,
- >you seem to be unusually worried about the women who have no men to
- >support them.
- >
-
- I am sorry that you reading in false details. I am genuienly concerned about
- al cyclists, female, male whatever. I would ask you this question that I
- already posted in a reply to another post. If school A places men
- 1,5,7 and women 3,9,10 and Team B places men 3,9,10 and women 1,5,7 Team A wins
- can you honestly say as a woman that you are not being devalued? It looks to
- me like the two teams should tie, and possible be decided on the lowest TTT
- time. But in the NCCA we say no, the men's wins are worth more. Have you
- ever looked at it that way?
-
- >>I think that there are differences though in participation and rather than
- >>treat some people as less important, we should treat them as equals and
- >>let everyone compete on their own level.
- >
- >As a female rider, I would say that this is exactly what collegiate
- >cycling does. And if I were a strong enough rider to compete at the A
- >level, I think I would also enjoy the fact that I can contribute directly
- >to the _entire_ team's success. That sounds like equality to me.
-
- Please folow the math above and rethink this.
-
- >Julia
- --
- Patrick David Walters ¢ President WSU Cycling Club
- 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu ¢ Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
- Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus ¢ Send Mail for more info on
- Washington State University Pullman, WA ¢ either !
-