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- From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
- Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.011217.4179@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom
- References: <16B5F9A1C.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <1993Jan24.021959.2119@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> <1993Jan24.213559.22121@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:12:17 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan24.213559.22121@leland.Stanford.EDU> sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov) writes:
- >Football has defined offensive and defensive teams that rarely have
- >players on both teams.
-
- Hmmm, are you proposing that men's and women's football teams should
- have points divided between them for an overall championships? I'm
- not sure that offensive and defensive football squads are analogous.
-
- >men's and/or women's champ as well). I think that to try to be the
- >best, a team would concentrate on its stronger team (men vs. women) and
- >that would have the same result as separating the sexes for scoring.
-
- Agreed. I think that, for National championships at least, a team
- _should_ concentrate on its strongest riders. After all, they are the
- ones who have put in the most effort. Why shouldn't a championships
- reflect this fact? Teams that send under-qualified riders do those
- riders a disservice. Not only do these riders get dropped but they
- lose their self-esteem because of it. I know I have always felt bad
- when given sponsorship which I couldn't earn, especially when there
- are others who did earn the right and didn't go (to nationals, Coors,
- whatever).
-
- >Ah! Bringing more people into the sport. If we look at what will
- >happen by separating the sexes for scoring, I think it's obvious that
- >the team that is weak (men's or women's) will wither away since the
- >stronger team will concentrate on itself and not care at all about
- >the other team.
-
- This seems to be the strongest argument for keeping the championships
- together, that it will help develop the women's ranks. But there is
- no proof that this is in fact what is occurring. A case can also be
- made that the combined championships deters women from participating.
- Placing an inordinate amount of responsibility on inexperienced and
- unprepared women riders many will simply choose not to participate for
- fear of letting the team down. In short, there is no indication that
- a combined championships helps women's cycling.
-
- >I guess if we put it to a vote, people would at first thought vote
- >the way that best benefits their own team.
-
- Unfortunately, this is true. It would be better to vote for what's
- best for the largest number of riders, regardless of gender. Either
- way, IMHO, a separate championship would be best.
-
- >I'm for bringing more people in and leaving things the way they are
- >now. If you take away the combined scoring, you take away any incentive
- >for the men and women to work together (incentive from both sides, that
- >is; obviously the weaker team will always be helped by the stronger
- >team).
- >
- >Sean
-
- I'm not so sure Sean. I think we need to try it the other way before we
- can determine if this is in fact true. There are many reasons for the
- lack of female participation in our sport (but that's another topic).
- The question is whether the combined championships addresses this
- problem. We have no way of determining this without trying it both
- ways.
-
- Roger Marquis
-