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- From: norton@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (David Norton)
- Subject: Re: RE: Collegiate Problems
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- Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
- References: <19JAN93.15293482@amazon.pfc.mit.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:05:33 GMT
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- In article <19JAN93.15293482@amazon.pfc.mit.edu> stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
- writes:
- [....]
- > I don't know how the Penn State system is set up, but can you imagine
- > what a blowout it would be if all the University of California
- > Teams were lumped in together. I think that is effectively what is
- > now the policy regarding Penn State in the ECCC(C?).
-
- I believe that the situation is a bit grayer then this portrayal
- of Penn State. Penn State has about 20 "branch" campuses that offer only
- freshman and sophomore courses. Students then move to the "main"
- (University Park) campus to finish their degrees. Additionally, Penn
- State has 2 or three campuses which do grant degrees (Erie, Harrisburg,
- and grad degrees in Philadelphia). The UC system, SUNY, and others are
- all independent schools.
-
- How do you go about partioning a sytem like Penn State's ( which I
- believe is the only system like this in the country ). Do you make teams
- of freshmen and sophmores ride as a team? From the view point of a coach
- who wants to win, this is not overly desirable. Do you group all of the
- riders together and make them all compete for the limited number of spots
- on the team? From the rider's view point, this is not desirable as many
- riders never get the chance to race, at least races with field limits, and
- championships.
-
- Several years ago, when the coach had more control over the
- situation, the former approach was taken. In the past few years, the
- riders have chosen participation rather then stacking the team with elite
- riders, so that more could participate. [The side benefit to this
- approach has been that the main campus gets more experienced riders as
- branch campus attendees (at least those that haven't dropped out in their
- first two years) move to the main campus.]
-
- I think that the riders deserve a lot of credit for standing up to
- the establishment and changing the structure of the team so that more
- could participate (campuses riding separately), and the establishment
- deserves a lot of thanks for doing the college racing thing so long as to
- actually become the establishment. As always, the struggle goes on
- between the riders and their views, and the coaches and NCCA and their
- views. The year to year situation at Penn State seems to depend on the
- riders at the various campuses and their desire to participate. Funny
- thing, without the coaches and NCCA there would be very little college
- racing, and without college riders, there is little need for coaches or
- the NCCA
-
- Sure UC could put together an incredible team if they combined all
- schools, but look at all of the riders that would not have a chance to
- participate in championships. Would you like to say "My team won the
- national title" or "I rode in the national title race" (given that you are
- not in the enviable position of being able to say both!). I think that
- most riders would rather like to say the latter.
-
- >
- > By the way David, I would strongly avoid being between the curb and
- > any rider with MIT in their jersey. Just a friendly hint. :-)
- >
- It's really terrific that schools know 'round the world for their
- outstanding academics are gaining a similar reputation in cycling. I'm
- envious.
-
- > Paul Stek
- > Stek@pfc.MIT.edu
-
- -dave
-
- BTW - Does anyone know what is going on with the organization of the
- Atlantic Collegiate Cycling Conference - or whatever their current
- designation is? If anyone from the region is on the net - feel free to
- send mail.
-