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- From: gersh@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (John R. Gersh)
- Subject: Re: DME/Radar rquired--why--Answer
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.134933.6814@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
- Summary: Some do, some don't
- Keywords: DME, Radar, Answer, IFR
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- Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab
- References: <2688@usna.NAVY.MIL> <skip.238.728055792@mitre.org>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:49:33 GMT
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- In article <skip.238.728055792@mitre.org> skip@mitre.org (Skip Guild) writes:
- >
- >...
- >
- >Your answer is interesting but one issue is still left unresolved. As I
- >pointed out in my answer, the logic you apply to this approach would appear
- >to be applicable to the Portland ILS RWY 29 approach (Portland, Maine) which
- >is almost identical to the Provincetown approach (except for distances,
- >altitudes, and angles of course) in that it is an over-water approach
- >without OM. However the Portland approach does not require DME or radar.
- >Why?
-
-
- Indeed, and it's even more curious. I just did a quick scan through
- the NOS NE-1 approach book. There are eight approaches in the category
- of interest (ILS overwater approach with no outer marker, intersection or
- DME determination of the FAF of the associated localizer-only
- approach):
-
- Bridgeport, CT (BDR) ILS-6
- Groton, CT (GON) ILS-5
- Hyannis, MA (HYA) ILS-15
- Martha's Vineyard, MA (MVY) ILS-24 (My most-frequently-flown
- approach!)
- New Haven, CT (HVN) ILS-2
- Portland, ME (PWM) ILS-29
- Portsmouth (Pease), NH (PSM) ILS-34
- Provincetown, MA (PVC) ILS-7 (The one under discussion)
-
- (I made only a quick scan; I might have missed some.)
-
- Of these approaches, only the HYA and PVC approaches require radar or
- DME, the rest do not, so it seems like there may be something other
- than the need for single-nav operation involved here.
-
- A very interesting case, however, is the Portsmouth approach (Pease
- International Tradeport, used to be Pease AFB). There are two
- approaches, ILS-34 and ILS/DME 34. As far as I can tell, these two
- approaches are identical (a straightforward ILS approach, but with no
- marker beacons, nothing odd about the miss), except that the ILS/DME
- approach has a 50' lower DH! (And lower a lower visibility minimum for
- cats D,E.)
-
- So what _is_ going on here??
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