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- From: skip@mitre.org (Skip Guild)
- Subject: Re: Filing IFR as a student?
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- References: <1993Jan25.112830.24208@crash>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:42:49 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.112830.24208@crash> jav@crash.cts.com (Javier Henderson) writes:
- >
- >My question to the fellow netters is...can I file an IFR flight plan, and
- >fly it, including the approach, etc., by myself? Of course, in VFR conditions.
- >
- >The idea is to practice everything involved with an IFR flight.
- >
-
- With the cooperation (and approval!) of your instructor, the flight can be a
- legal and complete IFR flight if your instructor has you do the verbal part
- of calling FSS to get the weather, etc., and then you file an IFR flight
- plan listing the instructor as PIC. Later in the plane, again with the
- instructor monitoring the conversation, you call Ground Control (or
- Clearance Delivery as appropriate) for the IFR clearance, copy it, and read
- it back for verification. Then fly the route cleared (with enroute
- amendments as they inevitably occur) and you will have a perfectly legal
- practice with IFR flight in the real world. It's all legal as the
- instructor is with you at each step, and he is PIC for the flight according
- to the FARs.
-
- This is what my instructor and I did on my long cross country and it
- provided excellent training. The best part was how to handle a motor-mouth
- controller who issued a complete new (amended) route clearance for the
- second leg of my flight immediately following my missed approach while in a
- climbing turn. [My response: "304 right turn to 330, climbing to 4,000,
- standby on the rest of the clearance". I asked for the rest of the
- clearance when level at 4,000 feet.]
-
- Separate subject is how to log the flight in your logbook. PIC time for you
- is the entire flight minus any time in actual IMC. Simulated and actual
- instrument times are the actual times under the hood or in IMC respectively.
-
- Skip Guild
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