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- From: grima@iphase.com (Gary Rima)
- Subject: Re: Flying into Ice
- Message-ID: <C19xGH.I2p@iphase.com>
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- Organization: Interphase Corporation, Dallas Texas
- References: <C17o4o.IK8@fc.hp.com> <C17vyq.M8r@fc.hp.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:09:53 GMT
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- In article <C17vyq.M8r@fc.hp.com> myshatyn@fc.hp.com (Mike Myshatyn) writes:
- >Steve Wolf (woof@fc.hp.com) wrote:
- >
- >: On a slightly different topic (the legality issue), my understanding is
- >: that an AIRMET for possible icing is quite different than a PIREP
- >: reporting known icing. FSS seems to slap ice AIRMETs over the entire US
- >: some days, but the icing itself is usually quite localized.
- >: The AIRMET doesn't regulate pilots out of the sky; the PIREP does.
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >I disagree with this also. As with many things related to the FAA - YOUR
- >MILEAGE MAY VARY. Never say never. If you went out and bent something you
- >don't think the FAA would nail you for at least being Careless and Reckless
- >for ignnoring an Airmet? Clearly REPORTED icing adds more fuel to the fire
- >(so to speak), but would not dimish the importance of the icing warning
- >that is given in an Airmet or Sigmet.
- >
- >
- Oh, what the hell, I might as well chime in here and disagree with both of
- you! Mike, your Bonanza (and my C210) are CAR 3 certified airplanes as
- opposed to the newer FAR 23. As such, they are _not_ prohibited from flight
- in known icing! Note that nowhere in Part 91 does it say that flight into
- known icing is prohibited. The relevant reference is to the section that says
- that you must operate the aircraft in accordance with (certification) limits
- as outlined in the AFM. FAR 23 certification requires that flight into "known
- icing" be prohibited unless the aircraft has certified deicing equipment.
- CAR 3, under which most of our aging fleet of aircraft was certified, has no
- such prohibition.
-
- Now, of course, I'm sure the FAA reserves the right to ding you for careless
- and reckless _anytime_ you bend something. They can't get you specifically
- for flight into known icing, though, since in your plane there are no regs
- prohibiting that. (Note that a while back FAA did try to require that all
- CAR 3 aircraft be placarded against flight into known icing. This would have
- been legally binding, since CAR 3 requires that the airplane be operated in
- accordance with all required placards. This was shot down, however, and never
- put into effect.)
-
- -Gary-
-
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