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- From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
- Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
- Subject: Re: Car wont start when amp connected
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.153514.1251@cmkrnl.com>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 15:35:14 PST
- References: <1jkl82INNcav@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> <1993Jan21.085847.19908@news.unomaha.edu>
- Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA
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- In article <1993Jan21.085847.19908@news.unomaha.edu>, mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:
- > ychoi@unixg.ubc.ca writes:
- >> I have this unusual problem.
- >>
- >> I have partially installed an amp in my trunk, and the only wires that are
- >> connected are the power, and ground.
- >>
- >> BUT when I try to start my car, it wont start. at first I thought it was
- >> because my battery was dead, so I got a jump. The car started fine, but
- >> the next day, it would not start. So I disconnected the power cable from
- >> the amp and the car started just fine.
-
- What do you mean by "wouldn't start"?
-
- - Did the starter relay "click" or not?
-
- - If it did, was the starter able to turn the engine or not?
-
- - If yes, then you must mean that the starter could turn the engine
- but it wouldn't start running, which suggests a problem in fuel or
- ignition systems. (An experienced mechanic friend says that almost
- all "car won't start" problems are electrical, not fuel problems.)
-
- >>
- >> Could it be that my battery was not charged enough to start the engine (
- >> I thought that the amp would not drain power, the remote wire was not
- >> connected)
- >
- > Check and re-check all of you connections. It sounds like the positive wire
- > is grounding to the frame of the car, and it is draining the battery. This
- > is also pretty dangerous 'cuz the short will make heat which could lead to
- > a fire. Be sure to disconnect the amp until you get it figured out.
-
- I doubt this mightily unless it's a rather high-resistance "ground". If the
- positive wire is really shorted to ground it will not just drain the battery.
- It will burn the insulation (unless it's Teflon) right off the wire in about a
- second and a half; once the insulation is burned off, there will be lots more
- places where the wire shorts to ground, drawing even more current; the
- insulation will produce some of the nastiest fumes that you'd ever go a long
- way to avoid (this is why fire codes require Teflon-insulated within ceilings,
- etc., of office buildings); the wire will be heated well past red-hot; and it
- will have a good chance of setting on fire anything flammable that's touching
- it (or almost touching it). the BEST thing you can hope for is that it melts
- through the wire, removing the short, as soon as possible.
-
- No, it doesn't matter if it's "really heavy wire". I've seen this happen to
- jumper cables made with #4 wire.
-
- (Moral: If you are going straight to the positive battery terminal, you must
- always use a fuse as close to the battery as possible. Or you can go to the
- load side of the car's fusible link, which serves the same purpose. The
- fusible link is a sort of fuse of last resort. But there is just one, or at
- most two or three, fusible links for the whole car. So connecting to the
- fusible link is NOT a substitute for having a fuse close to the amplifier --
- not unless you want a short in your amp or its wiring to disable just about
- everything, or most everything, electrical in the car, ignition system
- included.)
-
- In short, if there is a notable absence of pyrotechnic effects in and around
- the car when the amp is connected, there is probably NOT a short circuit.
-
- I'd even rule out a relatively high-resistance leak to ground. A typical car
- battery should have enough oomph to start the car even with several
- high-amperage things (high beam headlights, for instance, which at 65 watts
- apiece, take a total of around 10A) running.
-
- Besides, you said that it was fine as soon as you disconnected the amp. This
- says that leaving it connected overnight probably did not drain the battery.
-
- If I were you I would get (or borrow) a digital (or even analog) multimeter
- with a 10A current scale:
-
- - Check the battery voltage with and without the amp power connection.
-
- - Check the current drawn by the amp when it isn't powered on. You
- do this by connecting the meter, set for DC current measurements, in
- series with the amp. It should be extremely low.
-
- My suspicion is that there is something in your mechanical connection to the
- battery that is disturbing the current path to the starter. You really have
- no idea just how low the resistance of this path has to be: A starter can
- easily need several hundred amps to start to turn a cold engine; a resistance
- of just a tenth of an ohm (which ain't much!) is much too much to have in the
- way.
-
- --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA
- Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com, or hanrahan@eisner.decus.org Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh
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