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- From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
- Subject: Re: Preamp and Amp
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.161055.10991@bnr.ca>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:10:55 GMT
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- In article <shetline-250193184001@128.89.19.90> Kerry Shetline,
- shetline@bbn.com writes:
- >At the technical
- >base, the industry is driven by engineers (who, when they can get marketing
- >people off their backs) are driven by intellectual goals such as getting as
- >close to zero-distortion as possible. If some distortions are pleasing (and
- >this has, I believe, been adequately demonstrated), it is still not
- >suprising that the technological thrust has not been in that direction.
-
- The final goal of any high-end audio system is not to produce
- sound in as pleasing a manner as possible, but is to provide
- as realistic an illusion of real performers playing
- music before you as possible, in as real a reproduction of the
- acoustic environment the piece was recorded in as possible (multi-track
- horrors are obviously excluded). This goal is not a matter of taste but
- is an absolute. The reason we are involved in audio as professionals is
- hopefully that "life-like" is also pleasing to us.
-
- The final decision concerning a system's ability to provide a realistic
- illusion (i.e. meet it's intended goal) can only be determined via
- critical listening. After all, that is the system's intended purpose,
- to be listened to, not measured.
-
- We measure the objective performance of audio gear only to build a model
- in order to predict it's subjective performance in a given situation
- (i.e. terminated with a specific impedance, etc.). Measurements are
- invaluable in design, but why should a third party's analysis of the gear's
- post-design performance be taken via measurements when the gear is
- available for listening? i.e. why construct a model when you have the real
- thing in front of your ears? Third party measurements should only be used
- to verify the model with what is heard. Of course, the third party
- reviewer must be trained, and of proven ability, as any worthwhile
- designer must be.
-
- Thankfully, there is a sub-culture of trained and highly skilled
- professional subjective testers whose job function is to HELP us
- lesser skilled listeners determine the final merit of a piece
- of gear; i.e. how close is it to providing a life-like illussion.
- The reviewer's I'm referring to are not the Julian Hirsch's (sp?)
- with their "all amp's sound the same within clipping" ideological
- baggage. I'm referring to the Harry Pearson's and J. Gordon Holts,
- people with demonstrated subjective listening skills. The
- fact that these reviewers are (independantly) very consistent between each
- other with their perceptions regarding a unit's sound lends substance to
- their professed subjective abilities. They are highly trained
- individual's, who've proven themselve's again and again. Writing their
- skill off as hype is merely paranoia, an indication that their review's
- haven't been read over the course of time. At the end of the day, their
- input is almost as valuable as that from the engineers driving the technical
- end of the goal. I trust the ability of these reviewer's in telling me how
- a piece of gear meets the final goal as much as I trust the technically
- gifted engineers in getting me there. Their input is invaluable.
- The better designer's have stood the test of time, as have the better
- reviewers.
-
- We should always purchase a peice of gear based on the pleasure we derive
- from it. As profesionals in audio, we should not be talking about taste
- here. As profesional's in the audio feild, we should be deriving pleasure
- from the life-like sound our design's produce.
-
- In article <shetline-250193184001@128.89.19.90> Kerry Shetline,
- shetline@bbn.com writes:
- >Anyway, we don't have the opportunity to hear everything. So do we let
- >unaccountable and self-proclaimed audio gods who write reviews to do it for
- >us?
-
- As a first and very powerful arbitration, yes. I've addressed the question
- of their lack of accountability in the previous paragraph.
-
- Kerry and Lon; In your zeal in addressing the entire merits shown
- by CD vs. those by LP in what you both profess as a "logical"
- and "intelligent" manner, you have fallen victim to a trap so
- prevalent in audio:
-
- You've come to judge the merits of the technology by its merits
- in meeting the intent of the model (lower measured distortion, etc.)
- and not by its performance vs. the only realistic goal: Providing
- as life-like an illusion as possible.
-
- Your insistence at proclaiming CD's superiority while never once
- explicitely claiming it brings you closer to the "real thing" bears
- this out.
-
- If a unit leads to a more life-like presentation, but measures relatively
- poorly, who cares? Such a case would only highlight inadequacies in the
- subjective model.
-
- The fact that the majority of highly skilled and trained professional
- subjective reviewer's find LP reproduction closer to the final goal
- of life like reproduction supports my argument. The fact that CD
- measures better awakens us to the existence of inadequacies in the
- subjective model.
-
- Dave Dal Farra
- BNR Ottawa
- Audio and Acoustics Group
-