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- From: charbonn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gary charbonneau)
- Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:22:51 GMT
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- In article <1k379mINNkv5@beethoven.cs.unc.edu> bell@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
-
- >>In terms of content, the only real overlap between historical
- >>and fantasy/sci fi miniatures groups (if we wanted to divide things that
- >>way) would be in terms of painting and modelling techniques.
- >
- >Not true. Campaign rules, morale, (much) equipment, hidden movement, "fog
- >of war," tactics, and much more are common to both.
-
- But only to the extent that the fantasy people are trying to make their
- games more like reality and less like a fantasy.
-
- >The only real
- >>difference between the two is historical miniatures discussion would
- >include more specific history discussions, while fantasy miniatures
- >includes discussion of magic and magical effects.
-
- Discussions which always strike me as rather strange. You can argue
- about whether a particular form of magic destroys the play balance
- in a game. How can you argue about whether it is realistic? Even
- if that is the "only real difference" between the two groups of games,
- I would argue that it is a fundamental difference.
-
- >>When you say "our hobby is strong enough...", you are organizing the
- >>world in a way I do not happen to agree with.
-
- >>Fantasy/sci fi gaming is not part of MY hobby.
- >
- >"Napolean is not part of my hobby."
- >"Ships are not part of my hobby."
- >"Prussians are not part of my hobby."
- >
- >You can make whatever distinctions you like, but it doesn't change the
- >fact that to an outsider, we're all a bunch of people pushing a large
- >number of models around a tabletop. We're far more alike than we are
- >different.
-
- >Andrew Bell
- >bell@cs.unc.edu
-
- Well, then, Andrew, we probably ought to combine with rec.models.railroad.
- The model railroaders also push models around on a tabletop, although they
- usually try to push 'em with electricity (resorting to hand pushing only
- when electrical shorts or crud buildup on the wheels stop the trains).
-
- I'm not being entirely facetious here. I find as much commonality
- between historical miniatures players and model railroaders (both
- of whom base their modeling on historical themes) as between historical
- and fantasy miniatures. Nevertheless, I feel that model railroading
- and historical miniature gaming should be in separate forums --
- precisely my position on historical and fantasy miniatures.
-
- To me, it makes a very big difference indeed what kind of models
- I push around the table. I'll push Napoleonics, and I'll push
- ships, but I won't push elves. I suppose that there are many
- elven-pushers who feel the reverse.
-
- - Gary Charbonneau
- charbonn@indiana.edu
-
-