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- From: psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm)
- Subject: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated and proposed rec.arts.startrek split
- Reply-To: psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm)
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:37:16 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.033716.15552@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
- Summary: I like the reviews; I don't know about a TNG/DS9 split
- Sender: psrc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Paul S. R. Chisholm)
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-
- First of all, I'd like to apologize on behalf of all of us to Scott
- Forbes. If *this* is the most vicious, nasty, content-free we all can
- be, how will we ever have another Usenet Olympics? There's been no
- character assassination, no discussions of other netnews activities;
- why, it's been largely civil and informative. Gosh, kids today just
- don't know how to run a group split. [CAPTION FOR THE HUMOR IMPAIRED:
- this paragraph is a sarcastic way of saying this is a much nicer
- discussion than *some* r.a.startrek splits have had.]
-
- So, what's the problem we're trying to solve?
-
- To me, it's simple. As Evelyn Leeper and Robert Spiker have pointed
- out, ras.current is a complete mish-mash. We might as well drop it and
- let discussion go to the official ras.misc. Certainly, it's been
- months since current has been small enough for me to keep up with.
-
- I think Robert Spiker did a good job of analyzing ras.current. I
- disagree with his conclusion. Yes, if only "we" would post to
- appropriate newsgroups, there would be less of a problem. Mr. Spiker's
- data suggests to me that "we" are incapable of doing that.
-
- There are two proposals:
-
- (1) To create a moderated medium for reviews of *any* STAR TREK-
- related work: TNG, DS9, TOS movies, TNG movies, TOS and TAS episodes,
- novels, graphic novels, comic books, whatever. This has been proposed
- both as a newsgroup and as a mailing list.
-
- (2) To split ras.current into ras.current.tng and ras.current.ds9 (and
- possibly ras.current.misc?)
-
- (Caveats: I'm generally a pro-split kind of guy. When we were voting
- on the ras split we now have, I was one of the loudest voices for tos,
- tas, tng, movies, and comics sub-groups. I don't read any ras groups
- other than info. I'm very grateful for moderated groups, and might
- vote for rec.arts.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork if it was moderated.)
-
- Please note that the two proposals are independent. We can have
- ras.reviews and two current groups, or two current groups and no
- reviews group, or a new reviews group and the one existing current
- group. I prefer the last.
-
- I think the ras.reviews moderated group would be a good one, one I'd be
- very likely to read. It's likely to avoid what I consider "junk" in
- ras.current.
-
- I like the idea that ras.reviews follow-ups would (by default) be
- posted to ras.current(.*). If I wanted to post a follow-up *review*,
- I'd have no problem submitting it to ras.reviews (I'd just edit the
- article I'm posting and change the newsgroup.) That sounds fine (as
- long as the follow-ups are also moderated).
-
- I don't care whether or not rejected articles would be posted
- automatically to the "appropriate" newsgroup. I don't care whether or
- not such a group would be cross-posted. I don't care if the reviews
- editor changed the Subject: line, or corrected spelling mistakes.
-
- I would not subscribe to a moderated STAR TREK reviews mailing list. I
- live and die by e-mail (e-mail systems are what I do for a living); I
- need to separate my "recreational computing" from my job. If the list
- and the group were linked, we'd have the best of both worlds.
-
- As for the the TNG/DS9 split? I don't think discussions of Kirk are
- what's clogging up the current group. There's just too much (volume
- and variety) in there. I'm a moderately skilled rn user*, but I can't
- find the wheat in the chaff. Split or don't, as you see fit; but I
- don't see any benefits.
-
- One last comment: Might the contents of ras.current be improved if we
- changed its name back to the original proposal of ras.spoilers?
-
- Paul S. R. Chisholm, AT&T Bell Laboratories/EasyLink Services,
- att!pegasus!psrc, psrc@pegasus.att.com, AT&T Mail !psrchisholm
- I'm not speaking for the company, I'm just speaking my mind.
-
- P.S.:
-
- *The cbnews administrators have told the users that threaded news
- readers come with a 10% overhead to store all the threads. They aren't
- convinced they should buy more disks and/or expire news more quickly;
- thus, we don't have threaded newsreaders.
-
- If you feel this isn't the case, please let me know via *e-mail*; don't
- let's clutter up the r.a.startrek discussion with netnews
- implementation details.
-
- If you think our administrators should expire news more quickly, I'd be
- happy to pass your e-mail message on. If you think the hard disks to
- store the threads are incredibly cheap, please buy them for us out of
- your own pockets.
-