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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: misc.legal,soc.history
- Subject: Re: The Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
- Keywords: AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power
- Message-ID: <13970@optilink.COM>
- Date: 20 Jan 93 17:39:10 GMT
- References: <1993Jan14.222658.4107@wetware.com> <19564@smoke.brl.mil> <19571@smoke.brl.mil>
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- In article <19571@smoke.brl.mil>, matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan15.184050.21761@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
- > lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
- > >So, the next time wiccans are practicing *their* faith, worshipping their
- > >God/desses (who, btw, they believe in just as much as Catholics believe in
- > >their OneTrueGod...), please don't interrupt their services. Don't take away
- > >and profane their holy items. [Lee Rabe]
- >
- > Have Christians been bursting into Wiccan-owned property, interrupting
- > Wiccan services, carrying off and profaning Wiccan holy items? If so,
- > those Christians ought to stop doing that -- immediately. This is
- > America.
-
- Considering the context in which Rabe made this comparison, and since
- I am unaware of any such interruptions of Wiccan services, I think he
- is referring to abortion and abortion clinics. Now, I've seen pro-lifers
- claim that abortion in America is the modern equivalent of child sacfrifice
- done by the inhabitants of Palestine that were exterminated by the
- Hebrews -- and I thought, "My, that's a far-fetched idea," but when
- Rabe appears to be claiming that abortion is a "Wiccan service,"
- suddenly, the pro-lifers don't sound so crazy.
-
- > American history shows that the Puritans came to America to get away
- > from persecution by the Church of England, and that it took only
- > a few decades before the descendants of these same Puritans were
- > hanging witches in the New England. Hypocrisy?
- >
- > -- Matt Rosenblatt
-
- While agreeing with much of what Mr. Rosenblatt has to say here,
- I must disagree with this last paragraph.
-
- 1. Witchcraft trials took place throughout the 17th century in both
- England and America. The last witchcraft trial in England was in
- 1712, and the judges essentially decided that while they had it on
- good authority that such activities existed, they just found it hard
- to believe that anything was accomplished by it. The first bursts
- of Enlightenment skepticism and discomfort because of the Salem
- trials had made them skeptics in practice, if not in theory. However,
- witchcraft trials were held in New Jersey as late as 1812.
-
- 2. Witchcraft under English law was a crime not because of its
- religious content, but because of its intent to cause injury or
- death to another person or their livestock, and many people tried
- for this crime in England and America, if intent were the only
- issue, were certainly guilty, and many confessed without torture.
- (That their spells, etc., did nothing, they didn't know.) Note
- that unlike many of the other witchcraft trials of the period,
- NONE of the people tried and convicted at Salem, Mass. confessed.
-
- 3. The Satanic worship fantasies of witchcraft (witches riding brooms,
- sky-clad conclaves, etc.) are largely Continental and Scottish in
- origin.
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
- Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
-