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- From: simon@brome.iro.umontreal.ca (Daniel Simon)
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- Subject: Re: Shouting "Movie!" at a Fire Station (Schenck v US)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.185438.19181@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 18:54:38 GMT
- References: <1993Jan16.010430.5458@eff.org> <1993Jan18.030527.3766@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1993Jan18.151505.1167@eff.org>
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- In article <1993Jan18.151505.1167@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan18.030527.3766@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
- >
- >>I think the common misunderstanding is on your part: Making law and
- >>interperting it are two very different things.
- >
- >You haven't been reading much philosophy of law, I take it. Even people as
- >far apart as H.L.A. Hart and Lon Fuller agree that interpreting law is
- >also making law. Once you start reading a lot of cases in law school, it
- >becomes apparent to even the most insistent legal positivist that
- >interpretation is generating new law.
-
- So? The boundary between "legitimate" lawmaking and restriction of
- freedom of expression is no more recognizeable, in the abstract, than
- the boundary between judicial interpretation and judicial legislation;
- any piece of legislation can also, in principle, be characterized as a
- form of limitation on freedom of expression. Yet for some reason
- judges and legal scholars never seem to despair of navigating *that*
- unbroken continuum. Indeed, First Amendment buffs have for centuries
- been tirelessly inventing terms, elucidating fuzzy concepts, and
- delineating esoteric distinctions--all in the service of confining
- prohibitions on free expression to the absolute minimum possible,
- while still (barely) allowing legislative government to function.
-
- One would have hoped that these same judges and legal scholars, after
- devoting such care and attention to the task of mapping out the
- complex subdivisions of the free speech/restricted speech spectrum,
- might also have made at least a token effort to draw a rough line
- between judicial interpretation and judicial legislation. After all,
- fixing the boundaries of constitutional authority *is* part of their
- job. On the other hand, any such effort in that regard could
- conceivably have had the unprecedented effect of implicitly *limiting*
- their own power, rather than *expanding* it. It is therefore hardly
- surprising that jurists shy away from attempting to define the point
- at which judges begin to overstep their powers in straying from
- interpretation into the realm of judicial legislation; it is far more
- convenient for them simply to throw up their hands in mock
- helplessness and announce that unlike, say, the distinction between
- the Schenk and Brandenburg tests, the line between judicial
- legislation and judicial interpretation is just too darned subtle for
- them ever to hope to demarcate.
-
-
- "Que dites vous? C'est inutile? Je le sais! Daniel R. Simon
- Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succe`s!" simon@iro.umontreal.ca
- -Rostand
-