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- From: dbk@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Don Katz)
- Subject: Re: (Transaction costs are *not* part of the expenses?)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan20.181714.18926@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>
- Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
- References: <1j7ng6INN5s5@CASPER.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> <1993Jan17.014532.25732@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> <1993Jan20.022007.17556@88open.ORG>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:17:14 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.022007.17556@88open.ORG> sartin@88opensi.UUCP (Rob Sartin) writes:
- >>>> Transaction costs are *not* part of the expenses for mutual funds.
- >
- >I must have missed the original article, but if this is exactly (and
- >completely) what was said, then it's ambiguous. Fidelity probably
- >answered the question: "Are the transaction cost incurred by the fund
- >included in the expenses?" Morningstar, on the other hand, is answering:
- >"Are the sales and back end loads included in the expenses used in
- >making yield calculations?" Both answers are correct.
- >
- >Rob
-
- To state my point more clearly: Transaction costs are *not* included in the
- expenses, and therefore high turnover funds do not have to have higher
- expense ratios than low turnover funds. Loads are also not included in
- the expense ratio, since they are only paid once. Expense ratios only
- include management fees, 12b-1 (marketing) fees, and administrative
- expenses.
-
- As Rob points out, expenses do affect the yield of the
- fund, since yield is calculated as dividends and interest on portfolio
- minus expenses.
-
- To give an example, Fidelity OTC has turnover of > 200%, but expense
- ratio is only 1.17%. Fidelity Emerging Growth had turnover 1/92 thru
- 9/92 of 558% but expense ratio was only 1.12% (figures from
- Morningstar).
-
- The bottom line: Both expenses and turnover are drags on performance,
- and their effects must be considered separately.
-
- Don
-
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