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- From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
- Subject: Kids and hazards (was Re: No Hot Water!)
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 07:12:22 GMT
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- smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
-
- >Do you have any kids, John? From your past postings, I don't think so
- >(i.e., your posting about how you got out of your house when you had
- >that fire. An excellent article, btw.)
-
- Oh heavens no and thank you respectively :-) An hour or two dose of
- rug rats at a time is all I can stand. Now I know I'm treading on
- sacred ground where it is asserted that no kid-less person could possibly
- know how to manage a kid. I disagree, of course, as I would with
- the assertion that because I've never been nuked with radiation sickness,
- I cannot know about it as a health-physicist. My point of reference is
- how my parents raised my brother and I and how I have to manage guests with
- kids when they come to my house. The latter, particularly, graphicly
- points out what is wrong with the way most people raise their kids.
-
- >You'd be amazed at how fast kids can get into trouble. And you not only
- >*can't* watch them every second, you shouldn't -- how else can they learn
- >to do things on their own. (I should point out, of course, that this
- >is a direct corollary to the attitude I strongly suspect you have towards
- >the government -- that at a certain point, people, big or small, have to
- >be allowed to take responsibility.) It's my job as a parent to walk
- >a very fine line on that matter -- and to try my damnedest to ensure
- >that the inevitable mistakes aren't dangerous.
-
- You are right about my attitude toward government regarding adults.
- However I am NOT one of those who believes kids are really little
- adults trapped in immature bodies, what with rights and such. I believe
- young children should obey without question and be seen and not heard.
- That was the way I was raised and I think it worked quite well.
- My parents DID watch us all the time. That was possible because
- even at the earliest age, we were trained (with whippings when we
- disobeyed) to obey. Part of that obeying was staying where we were
- instructed. My parents did not and did not need to kidproof the
- house. Indeed, my father kept loaded firearms in plain view. We
- never touched them. We knew better. My mother did not allow kids in the
- house except in the playroom and then only under her continuous supervision.
-
- Yes, it's a damn hard job, a job I decided I was not up to which is one
- reason I don't have kids. Unfortunately most of the people I know who
- have kids don't even try. I've had some interesting moments with
- friends' kids in my house. My making them obey me and not talk back
- appears to be the first real discipline they'd ever had.
-
- If I did have a kid, I'd deal with minimal risk hazards like hot tap
- water by letting the kid touch it and get a little burn while under
- supervision. Same way I learned about such stuff. Other than when
- supervised, he'd be trained to stay away from the bathroom until I
- judged him capable of handling the risks. About Jr High or so :-)
-
- I don't think undisciplined kids are anything new. I can remember my
- mother complaining about many of the kids I went to school with.
- I can also remember how cruel I thought mom and dad were for being
- so strict. Worked out pretty well, I think, and I'm now proud they
- were. My thoughts on this are simply an extension of my views on
- the relationship of the government and the people. All irresponsible
- parents do is give the government more excuses to invade our
- lives with more regulations and laws.
-
- John
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