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- From: tanner@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jim Tanner)
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
- Subject: Re: Another wet basement (a new approach)
- Keywords: basement, water, drain, sump
- Message-ID: <91176@bcsaic.boeing.com>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 19:54:12 GMT
- References: <1993Jan19.205122.14796@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
- Distribution: usa
- Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle
- Lines: 74
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- In article <1993Jan19.205122.14796@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield) writes:
- [ discussion about how water is getting into basement, and why he doesn't
- [ want to do a standard (outside) perimeter drain ]
- >
- >My approach gets to work on the problem before the water level equals
- >the floor level but isn't as "extreme" as above. Creating a 4" x 4"
- >trench around the perimeter means removing less that a cubic yard
- >of material. Basically, I would remove the floor about 4" from the wall.
- >Then install a 2" pipe with holes drilled along the sides (probably can't
- >find 2" drain pipe) in the bottom of the trench and surrounded by gravel.
- >I would also drill "weep" holes into the hollow core of the block wall
- >as low as possible (below floor level) to facilitate the flow of water
- >into the trench.
- >
- > | | | |
- > | Concrete | |
- > | Block | |<-- ~4" -->
- > | | | |----------+---------------------------
- > | | | |oooooooooo|
- > | | weep | |oooo_ooooo| Basement Floor
- > | | hole-->|===|ooo( )oooo|
- >----------------------------+ooooooooooooooo pea gravel oo
- > ^ | -- - --- -- -- - -- -
- > | | - -- - --- - --- -
- > drain pipe --+ | --- -- - --- -- -- -
- > | -- - --- --- - - ---- --
- > Foundation | -- - --- -- -- - - -
- > | - - - --- - -- - --
- >----------------------------+ --- - - --- -- - - - -
- >-- -- - -- - -- - -- - - --- -- -- - -
- >
- >I am counting on two local variables: 1) the 1" layer of pea gravel under
- >the slab and 2) hollow core of block wall is actually hollow. Several
- >holes drilled at floor level seem to indicate that this is the case.
- >
- >One question is the ability of the 2" pipe to drain water to the sump with
- >out much slope to the run of pipe. Even if I have to install another sump,
- >this appears to be a viable alternative. It also seems like an improvment over
- >the passive, open-air trench systems used to direct water to a sump. In
- >addition, any "above floor" approach can be used as a back-up to this system.
- >If I implement this plan, I will leave the trench un-finished to watch
- >for overflow problems.
- >
- >Any comments or suggestions appreciated!
-
- In your estimation of effort involved, it will be more difficult to
- remove the basement floor (concrete) than the exterior fill (dirt),
- certainly on a per-cubic-yard basis. I presume you will need to rent
- a concrete saw to cut through the basement floor, then break up the
- material to be removed with a sledge hammer (or rent an electric
- jackhammer). There will probably be some rebar or reinforcing mesh
- embedded in the concrete that you will have to contend with, too.
-
- In estimating difficulty of exterior excavation, there are some power
- tools that can help. Even if you can't use a backhoe, you can use a
- "demolition hammer" (sort of a scaled-down electric jackhammer that you
- can hold in your hands, on which you can fit various bits, in particular
- a smallish shovel-like bit) to break up the dirt, so you don't have to
- use a pick. Then it's mostly a matter of manually shoveling out the
- material; maybe bring in a bunch of friends some weekend, with free beer
- and pizza? Take heart - it _is_ doable. One friend of mine excavated
- (by hand) a 15x20 basement area under a sunroom that was originally
- built over a crawlspace; another excavated (again by hand) a 10x25
- basement area under a porch that he was replacing.
-
- You don't mention the geometry/size of the basement, nor the ground
- elevation/basement depth around the house, so I can't get a feel for
- the difficulties involved in an exterior drain, but IMHO I'd install an
- interior drain _only_ as a last resort, if only because it seriously
- complicates any future finishing off of the basement (maybe you aren't
- interested in finishing it off, but the next buyer might be).
-
- BTW, I've heard the term "French drain" used to describe interior
- drain systems such as you've sketched out.
-