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- From: Patrick F. McGehearty <patrick@convex.COM>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:51:23 GMT
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- In article <8699@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
- ...
- > But than we get at the standard question: what should
- >you use?
-
- I rather like using Dongarra's Linpack report (either the Best Effort
- with n=1000, or for some systems, the Rmax from Table 3 with n selected
- by the vendor. These benchmarks measure actual solution of real problem,
- under almost ideal conditions. They also are widely available and regularly
- updated. Jack makes serious efforts to keep the vendors honest. There are
- very few application/machine combinations which will show higher Gflop
- ratings than that provided by these numbers, so that benchmark can be
- considered the realistic attainable peak for 64-bit floating point
- operations. Be careful when quoting a higher 32-bit peak to note the 64-bit
- performance also.
-
- Of course, any careful evaluation of super architecture needs to take
- into account peak achievable megaflops (Linpack), memory bandwidth
- (McCalpin's Stream), sustainable I/O bandwidth (to disk and high speed
- network) as a proportion of peak megaflops, and ease of achieving
- significant fractions of these peaks on real application codes.
-
- We have already discussed Gflops and memory megabytes/sec.
- Any opinions on the amount of I/O bandwidth necessary to support/sustain
- a useful Gflop in a production environment? My intuition is that 10
- Mbytes/second is a bit skimpy, while 100 Mbytes/second is ample. Is that
- the right range? Anyone have actual application performance requirements?
-
- By the way, I mean actual, delivered data to an application, not peak
- hardware specs of the fastest bus on the system. Specmanship is really
- common in quoting I/O performance, just as peak Mflops is common. Alertness
- on the part of you users, writers, and reviewers is necessary to keep us
- vendors from playing spiraling artifical, meaningless number games.
-