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- From: rfranken@cs.umr.edu (Richard Brett Frankenberger)
- Subject: Re: Novell 3.11 security pitfalls?
- References: <C1FDLo.GDt@Novell.COM> <1993Jan25.233323.18095@umr.edu> <C1H3u9.J2v@Novell.COM>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:31:01 GMT
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- Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO
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- In article <C1H3u9.J2v@Novell.COM> Mark_Muhlestein@Novell.COM (Mark Muhlestein) writes:
- >
- >I appreciate the calm tone of this discussion, Brett. Let's try to
- >get any remaining questions cleared up.
-
- As do I. I think this may finally put a rest to these concerns. I am glad
- someone from Novell.COM has taken the time top respond.
-
- >> [ Stuff about KNOCK.EXE deleted ]
- >
- >OK, I think we can straighten this out. The problem was found in
- >December 1990, as nearly as I can determine. The 3.10 patch was
- >devised within two days of the bug report, and was officially made
- >available early in January, 1991. By the end of January 1991,
- >thousands of downloads of the patch ("PASSFIX") had been done on
- >NetWire. The 3.11 release was cut mid-February 1991, and incorporated
- >the bug fix. The timing of these events was fairly close, so I can see
- >why you might have been confused about this, although you are way off
- >on the date of 3.10 patch.
-
- OK. I was not aware of any 3.10 patch until KNOCK.EXE was discussed on the
- net (this group) about March or April 1992. After a day or two of
- discussion someone from Novell (I think) posted that a patch was available on
- NetWire and via the normal FTP sites. I got the impression that the patch had
- just been written my Novell. If it was in fact written and released in early
- 1991 then I am indeed way off. I take your word that the patch was released in
- January 1991, and I stand corrected.
-
- >>Why? Because they can hope that no one will ever find it, and then the
- >>users will never have to be told that it exists, which will make
- >>NetWare look better. (A bad strategy, it would seem to me, as there
- >>are plenty of hackers out there doing their best to find their way in.)
- >> - Brett
- >
- >As I mentioned before, the problem was not discovered in-house, so
- >there was never any question of avoiding telling the users. In any
- >case I agree this would be a bad strategy, which is why I asked the
- >question. I hope this information helps clear things up.
-
- True. I was speaking hypothetically (probably not a great idea).
- I must say, I've brought these concerns up before and never gotten much in the
- way of a response. I am glad these issues have finally been cleared up (at
- least for me). I have never doubted Novell's resolve to create a secure
- system. It had just been my opinion that the way Novell handled security
- breaches left something to be desired (deny that there is even the possible of
- a security hole until some posts or threatens to post code to exploit a hole
- then stall about the issue until a patch is written, then admit the whole,
- release the patch, and state that most other NOS's have the same hole (which,
- of course, is generally true)).
-
- My main complaint has always been information. I don't mind the fact that
- NetWare is not 100% secure. It never will be. While there is merit to the idea
- that code to implement loopholes should not be posted to the net, I think that
- it is reasonably to expect that NetWare administrators should be informed of
- the nature of security breaches, so that they can evalute the security risk in
- their own situation.
-
- However, those are all opinions. All the factual stuff (such as the release
- dates for the various patches) has been cleared up. (And it is my opinion that
- Novell is getting better with the way security breaches are handled).
-
- >Speaking for myself only,
-
- Same here.
-
- >Mark_Muhlestein@novell.com
-
- Thanks for responding. It is good that someone with better access to the facts
- that I has finally cleared most of this up. Now the net should be able to
- get back to as close to normal as it ever is.
-
- - Brett (rfranken@cs.umr.edu)
-